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Reply #15 - Mar 8^th, 2012 at 9:51pm

falah wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

... wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 11:16am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 7:01am:

Israel and America need each other, two evil forces are better than one.

If they're evil , who are the good guys?

My guess is that they do not have nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

Stupid as ever. You are saying that the guys with the inferior technology are therefore superior.
A great argument for the superiority of illiterate, backward Arabs, I suppose.

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Reply #16 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 9:47am

I'd like to see Israel undergo the same IAEA inspections as
they insist Iran should have.
The whole Middle East situation reeks of hypocrisy.

Why should Israel hold 300 nuclear weapons with impunity?

We are all threated by Israel not Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

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Reply #17 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 10:28am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

I'd like to see Israel undergo the same IAEA inspections as
they insist Iran should have.
The whole Middle East situation reeks of hypocrisy.

Why should Israel hold 300 nuclear weapons with impunity?

We are all threated by Israel not Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

Israel is a threat to you if you attack it. Read it slowly, sounding out each word

If
you
attack
it

Not otherwise. So don't attack it. Can't be simpler than that. Don't attack Israel because if you do, it will take you out. Only goddam bullies run around when they hear this, shouting' Israel is a threat'! Yes, Israel is a huge threat to countries that want to militarily bully it. That is why Iran is building a nuclear bomb. To bully Israel - and the sunni arabs in the region.

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Reply #18 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 10:42am

Soren wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 10:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

I'd like to see Israel undergo the same IAEA inspections as
they insist Iran should have.
The whole Middle East situation reeks of hypocrisy.

Why should Israel hold 300 nuclear weapons with impunity?

We are all threated by Israel not Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

Quote:

In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

Israel is a threat to you if you attack it. Read it slowly, sounding out each word

If
you
attack
it

Not otherwise. So don't attack it. Can't be simpler than that. Don't attack Israel because if you do, it will take you out. Only goddam bullies run around when they hear this, shouting' Israel is a threat'! Yes, Israel is a huge threat to countries that want to militarily bully it. That is why Iran is building a nuclear bomb. To bully Israel - and the sunni arabs in the region.

So IF they develop A nuclear warhead, they will be able to bully a country with 300 warheads and vastly superior delivery devices and conventional forces? I think you've got the analogy the wrong way round - the bully tends to be the stronger one.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #19 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am 1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300. Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105408 Melbourne Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #20 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am Soren, Quote: Don't attack Israel because if you do, it will take you out. Soren, Read it again - comprehension is needed. Israel will take the whole world down with it. That means people & countries that are innocent. It means you & me.
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #21 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am: 1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300. Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel??? So you agree that the terrorist state of Israel shouldnt have them, finally some sense from you
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Reply #22 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

So you agree that the terrorist state of Israel shouldnt have them,
finally some sense from you

Israel has not stated it has any.

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Reply #23 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:06am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

So you agree that the terrorist state of Israel shouldnt have them,
finally some sense from you

Israel has not stated it has any.

We possess several hundred atomic warheads

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Reply #24 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:07am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

So you agree that the terrorist state of Israel shouldnt have them,
finally some sense from you

Israel has not stated it has any.

No they are just large pvc piping stockpiles

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Reply #25 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

erm, no....1 nuclear warhead is about 1/300th as dangerous as 300. Even less when you consider an Iranian warhead is going to have crude delivery system, and likely a much lower yield than israeli ones.
1 nuclear warhead will not eliminate the enemies capability to fire back - so the inevitable result is destruction of Iran. They are not that stupid.

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Reply #26 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:13am

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

erm, no....1 nuclear warhead is about 1/300th as dangerous as 300. Even less when you consider an Iranian warhead is going to have crude delivery system, and likely a much lower yield than israeli ones.
1 nuclear warhead will not eliminate the enemies capability to fire back - so the inevitable result is destruction of Iran. They are not that stupid.

Iranians - have actually shown over history - that they are pretty stupid.

Fundamentalist nutbags too.

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Reply #27 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:13am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

So you agree that the terrorist state of Israel shouldnt have them,
finally some sense from you

Israel has not stated it has any.

We possess several hundred atomic warheads

The state of Israel has NEVER made any comment on nuclear capability.

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Reply #28 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:14am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

erm, no....1 nuclear warhead is about 1/300th as dangerous as 300. Even less when you consider an Iranian warhead is going to have crude delivery system, and likely a much lower yield than israeli ones.
1 nuclear warhead will not eliminate the enemies capability to fire back - so the inevitable result is destruction of Iran. They are not that stupid.

Iranians - have actually shown over history - that they are pretty stupid.

Fundamentalist nutbags too.

Neocons - have actually shown over history - that they are pretty stupid.

Fundamentalist nutbags too.

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Reply #29 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:25am

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:14am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

erm, no....1 nuclear warhead is about 1/300th as dangerous as 300. Even less when you consider an Iranian warhead is going to have crude delivery system, and likely a much lower yield than israeli ones.
1 nuclear warhead will not eliminate the enemies capability to fire back - so the inevitable result is destruction of Iran. They are not that stupid.

Iranians - have actually shown over history - that they are pretty stupid.

Fundamentalist nutbags too.

Neocons - have actually shown over history - that they are pretty stupid.

Fundamentalist nutbags too.

i wouldnt call em stupid. i think they know what they're doing. one of their favourite obsessions is to render us the client state of israel - regardless of the consequences for us.

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Question: Does Israel have nuclear weapons?
Yes 20 (83.3%) No 1 (4.2%) unsure 3 (12.5%) Total votes: 24 « Created by: Bobby. on: Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:38am »