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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103097 Melbourne Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #255 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:01am Soren, How about taking Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's word & setting up a peace conference where all sides will accept inspections with the aim of ensuring each has no nuclear weapons?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #256 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:25am Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:01am: Soren, How about taking Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's word & setting up a peace conference where all sides will accept inspections with the aim of ensuring each has no nuclear weapons? Yeah, go ahead, organise it.
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Reply #257 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:45am

Soren wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

Soren,
How about taking Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's word & setting up
a peace conference where all sides will accept inspections
with the aim of ensuring each has no nuclear weapons?

Yeah, go ahead, organise it.

Impossible because we all know that Israel will not accept inspections.
We all know that inspections are only required for Muslim
countries under threat of sanctions & war.

You see - real peace must come from Israel.
The good people of Israel must rise up & demand peace
& be prepared to sacrifice their nuclear advantage to obtain it.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #258 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:55am Bobby the fact Israel was attacked on any number of occasions (including one of their holiest times in the calendar) should probably give you an idea why they are reluctant to rely on anyone other than themselves. Plus Israel has broken no law on nuclear proliferation.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103097 Melbourne Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #259 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 10:21am Andrei, Quote: Plus Israel has broken no law on nuclear proliferation. True because they refuse to sign up to the NNPT. Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. - yet they expect other countries to sign up & then want to declare sanctions & war on them if they don't comply. Can you see any hypocrisy here?
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Reply #260 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:03am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

Andrei,
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Plus Israel has broken no law on nuclear proliferation.

True because they refuse to sign up to the NNPT.
Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
- yet they expect other countries to sign up & then
want to declare sanctions & war on them if they don't comply.

Can you see any hypocrisy here?

Can you see the hypocrisy of whineging about Israel not signing the NPT when Pakistan has not signed the NPT?

What about India they have not signed the NPT anything to say about them or do you only single out Israel with the NPT?

Why do the hypocrites only single out Israel for not signing the NPT when Pakistan and India also have nuclear weapons and have not signed the NPT?

If there are calls for Israel to disarm then surely Pakistan must also disarm or that could be considered as discrimination.

It was the UN that put sanctions on Iran for non compliance with the NPT and the IAEA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty

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Reply #261 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:21am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:55am:

Bobby the fact Israel was attacked on any number of occasions (including one of their holiest times in the calendar) should probably give you an idea why they are reluctant to rely on anyone other than themselves.

What? Arabs attacked Israel? After Israelis went to all the bother of invading and occupying Arab lands, and murdering and expelling Arab civilians.

http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:55am:

Plus Israel has broken no law on nuclear proliferation.

Selling weapons to apartheid South Africa is all kosher then?
Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

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Reply #262 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:37am

falah wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:55am:

Bobby the fact Israel was attacked on any number of occasions (including one of their holiest times in the calendar) should probably give you an idea why they are reluctant to rely on anyone other than themselves.

What? Arabs attacked Israel? After Israelis went to all the bother of invading and occupying Arab lands, and murdering and expelling Arab civilians.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PaG-oRPFduY/TiweYiztuXI/AAAAAAAAAAM/1NAXPONTmdc/s1600/...

http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html

Selling weapons to apartheid South Africa is all kosher then?
So how many nuclear weapons did Israel sell? what none,zip zilch?

So why does you map have Gaza as Palestinian land when Egypt had control of it?

Why does your map have the west bank as Palestinian land when Jordan had control of it?

Israel occupied Gaza then gave it back, no mention of that with you propaganda map.

Falah if you want to use maps for propaganda at least make them accurate or people might think you are full of bullshit.

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Reply #263 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:01pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

Andrei,
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Plus Israel has broken no law on nuclear proliferation.

True because they refuse to sign up to the NNPT.
Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
- yet they expect other countries to sign up & then
want to declare sanctions & war on them if they don't comply.

Can you see any hypocrisy here?

Can you see the hypocrisy of whineging about Israel not signing the NPT when Pakistan has not signed the NPT?

What about India they have not signed the NPT anything to say about them or do you only single out Israel with the NPT?

Why do the hypocrites only single out Israel for not signing the NPT when Pakistan and India also have nuclear weapons and have not signed the NPT?

If there are calls for Israel to disarm then surely Pakistan must also disarm or that could be considered as discrimination.

It was the UN that put sanctions on Iran for non compliance with the NPT and the IAEA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty

They should all disarm - including every country with nuclear weapons - USA, Russia, China, UK, France etc.

I know the big boys don't want to give up their toys
but that is the only way to stop an accident from destroying the world.

Israel should be the country calling for this but instead they
hide their weapons & threaten war with other countries
who don't follow the NNPT.

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Reply #264 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

Andrei,
Quote:

Plus Israel has broken no law on nuclear proliferation.

True because they refuse to sign up to the NNPT.
Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
- yet they expect other countries to sign up & then
want to declare sanctions & war on them if they don't comply.

Can you see any hypocrisy here?

Can you see the hypocrisy of whineging about Israel not signing the NPT when Pakistan has not signed the NPT?

What about India they have not signed the NPT anything to say about them or do you only single out Israel with the NPT?

Why do the hypocrites only single out Israel for not signing the NPT when Pakistan and India also have nuclear weapons and have not signed the NPT?

If there are calls for Israel to disarm then surely Pakistan must also disarm or that could be considered as discrimination.

It was the UN that put sanctions on Iran for non compliance with the NPT and the IAEA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty

They should all disarm - including every country with nuclear weapons - USA, Russia, China, UK, France etc.

I know the big boys don't want to give up their toys
but that is the only way to stop an accident from destroying the world.

Israel should be the country calling for this but instead they
hide their weapons & threaten war with other countries
who don't follow the NNPT.

The Saudis have indicated they will persue nuclear weapons if Iran develops one.
The Sunni have hated the shia since the battle of the camel just look at the sectarian strife in Syria.

If Iran develops a nuclear bomb it will start a nuclear arms race in the Middle east.

Those who have signed the NPT must reduce their stockpiles of weapons.

I dont see why people should single out Israel when Pakistan was created in a similar way on land stolen from the Hindu.

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Reply #265 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:22pm

Baron,
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I dont see why people should single out Israel

I see why - read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
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In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

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Reply #266 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:38pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Baron,
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I dont see why people should single out Israel

I see why - read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
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In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

When it comes to religion or politics i find wiki is unreliable due to anyone being able to edit it with whatever bullshit they like.

That said it is good for some things that have nothing to do with religion or political views.

So what plans did the USSR and the USA have during the height of the cold war?
What was the Cuban missile crisis all about?
Military planners put many options on the table, they would be lucky to implement 1 in 100.

I see a lot of propaganda coming from Islam about Israel-
Try this link and see how much of it is being posted in this forum.-
http://www.theunjustmedia.com

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103097 Melbourne Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #267 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:46pm It's not propaganda - it's true. Martin van Creveld said it.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18303 Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #268 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 1:24pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:46pm: It's not propaganda - it's true. Martin van Creveld said it. So is he a politician or a historian and writer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld
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Jan Senior Member Offline Elite Politics Posts: 411 SA Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #269 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 2:06pm ... wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 11:16am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 7:01am: Israel and America need each other, two evil forces are better than one. If they're evil , who are the good guys? The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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Question: Does Israel have nuclear weapons?
Yes 20 (83.3%) No 1 (4.2%) unsure 3 (12.5%) Total votes: 24 « Created by: Bobby. on: Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:38am »