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Reply #30 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:25am

Soren wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 10:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

I'd like to see Israel undergo the same IAEA inspections as
they insist Iran should have.
The whole Middle East situation reeks of hypocrisy.

Why should Israel hold 300 nuclear weapons with impunity?

We are all threated by Israel not Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

Israel is a threat to you if you attack it. Read it slowly, sounding out each word

If
you
attack
it

Not otherwise. So don't attack it. Can't be simpler than that. Don't attack Israel because if you do, it will take you out. Only goddam bullies run around when they hear this, shouting' Israel is a threat'! Yes, Israel is a huge threat to countries that want to militarily bully it. That is why Iran is building a nuclear bomb. To bully Israel - and the sunni arabs in the region.

That's not what the former US ambassador to Israel said on Lateline last night. He said that Iran had only to change its Uranium enrichment from 20% to 90% and they were deemed a threat worthy of attack !!

That's a big difference to what you have said.

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Re: "Israel & US are one!"
Reply #31 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:25am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

So you agree that the terrorist state of Israel shouldnt have them,
finally some sense from you

Israel has not stated it has any.

We possess several hundred atomic warheads

The state of Israel has NEVER made any comment on nuclear capability.

http://iamiranaware.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/carter-says-a-couple-of-iranian-nuc...

Jimmy Carter,
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Well, of course, the religious leaders of Iran have sworn on their word of honor that they’re not going to manufacture nuclear weapons. If they are lying, then I don’t see that as a major catastrophe because they’ll only have one or two military weapons. Israel probably has 300 or so.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #32 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:26am Since when was Jimmy Carter an official spokesman for the state of Israel?? You do know who he is don't you Bobby?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105426 Melbourne Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #33 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:29am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:26am: Since when was Jimmy Carter an official spokesman for the state of Israel?? You do know who he is don't you Bobby? Are you trying to suggest that israel doesn't have nuclear weapons? A former president of the USA would know. Sorry I trust Jimmy Carter more than you.
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Reply #34 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:30am

barnaby joe wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:14am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

erm, no....1 nuclear warhead is about 1/300th as dangerous as 300. Even less when you consider an Iranian warhead is going to have crude delivery system, and likely a much lower yield than israeli ones.
1 nuclear warhead will not eliminate the enemies capability to fire back - so the inevitable result is destruction of Iran. They are not that stupid.

Iranians - have actually shown over history - that they are pretty stupid.

Fundamentalist nutbags too.

Neocons - have actually shown over history - that they are pretty stupid.

Fundamentalist nutbags too.

i wouldnt call em stupid. i think they know what they're doing. one of their favourite obsessions is to render us the client state of israel - regardless of the consequences for us.

You're talking about the architects of neocon ideology/action. I'm talking about the rubes who buy into it, for example one A.Hicks.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30090 Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #35 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:31am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:26am: Since when was Jimmy Carter an official spokesman for the state of Israel?? You do know who he is don't you Bobby? And you know more than a former President LOL You really have a high opinion of yourself !!
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #36 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:32am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:26am: Since when was Jimmy Carter an official spokesman for the state of Israel?? You do know who he is don't you Bobby? A US president would know more then anyone on the subject because he is the one taking the orders directly from Israeli terrorists
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Reply #37 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:33am

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:31am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:26am:

Since when was Jimmy Carter an official spokesman for the state of Israel??

You do know who he is don't you Bobby?

And you know more than a former President Cheesy

LOL You really have a high opinion of yourself !!

Read again clown.

I stated that the state of Israel has never made any comment or confirmed/denied the existence of a nuclear programme.

Jimmy Carter does not speak for the state of Israel.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105426 Melbourne Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #38 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:33am Andrei doesn't believe Jimmy Carter. Andrei is a fool.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #39 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:34am Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:33am: Andrei doesn't believe Jimmy Carter. Andrei is a fool. You're an idiot. That's been proved enough times. Israel has never stated it has a nuclear weapons programme you fool.
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Reply #40 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:34am

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

barnaby joe wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:14am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

1 nuclear warhead is as dangerous as 300.

Have you seen what happens when it is dropped and have you seen the size of Israel???

erm, no....1 nuclear warhead is about 1/300th as dangerous as 300. Even less when you consider an Iranian warhead is going to have crude delivery system, and likely a much lower yield than israeli ones.
1 nuclear warhead will not eliminate the enemies capability to fire back - so the inevitable result is destruction of Iran. They are not that stupid.

Iranians - have actually shown over history - that they are pretty stupid.

Fundamentalist nutbags too.

Neocons - have actually shown over history - that they are pretty stupid.

Fundamentalist nutbags too.

i wouldnt call em stupid. i think they know what they're doing. one of their favourite obsessions is to render us the client state of israel - regardless of the consequences for us.

You're talking about the architects of neocon ideology/action. I'm talking about the rubes who buy into it, for example one A.Hicks.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105426 Melbourne Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #41 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:35am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:34am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:33am: Andrei doesn't believe Jimmy Carter. Andrei is a fool. You're an idiot. That's been proved enough times. Israel has never stated it has a nuclear weapons programme you fool. Hello- Israel has a policy of denial. idiot
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Re: "Israel & US are one!"
Reply #42 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:35am

The jews have a secret scorched earth policy Wink

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Samson Option

The Samson Option is a term used to describe Israel’s alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.[1] Israel refuses to admit it has nuclear weapons or to describe how it would use them, an official policy of nuclear ambiguity, also known as "nuclear opacity." This has made it difficult for anyone outside the Israeli government to definitively describe its true nuclear policy, while still allowing Israel to influence the perceptions, strategies and actions of other governments.[2]
As early as 1976, the CIA believed that Israel possessed 10 to 20 nuclear weapons.[3] By 2002 it was estimated that the number had increased to between 75 and 200 thermonuclear weapons, each in the multiple-megaton range.[4] Kenneth S. Brower has estimated as many as 400 nuclear weapons.[5] These can be launched from land, sea and air.[6] This gives Israel a second strike option even if much of the country is destroyed.[7]
The term "Samson Option" has also been used more generally in reference to Israel's nuclear program.[8] Commentators have also employed the term in reference to situations where non-nuclear, non-Israeli actors, such as Saddam Hussein,[9] Yassir Arafat[10] and Hezbollah[11] have threatened conventional weapons retaliation—and even regarding former United States President George W. Bush's foreign policy.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #43 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:36am Show me a single statement anywhere of Israel confirming or denying their nuclear weapons programme. Until then you speculate.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105426 Melbourne Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #44 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:37am Hi Nail, Andrei is the only person on Ozpolitcs who believes Israel has no nuclear weapons.
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Question: Does Israel have nuclear weapons?
Yes 20 (83.3%) No 1 (4.2%) unsure 3 (12.5%) Total votes: 24 « Created by: Bobby. on: Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:38am »