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Reply #75 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:14pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Tell me where I said Israel have none....

Waiting to see this.

Pretty sure I said Israel has never admitted nor denied.

I made no personal comment.

So do YOU think Israel has nuclear weapons?

Most likely yes.
However there has never been any statement by any official from the state of Israel that this is the case.

Work friends of mine who have been in the IDF tell me there is a statement you sign at the beginning of service relating to this and the penalties of making any comment on Israel's weapons programme.

So on the flip side is there any evidence that Iran even has the capability to produce nuclear weapons?

Not the point, at all.
Israel and the United States have made their stance clear.
All of this is just background noise.

Their stance on what, things that havent actually happened and there is no evidential plan for them to happen?

Continued enrichment of uranium and non compliance with the IAEA will see intervention from Israel, supported in the UN by a US veto.

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Reply #76 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:15pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

the penalties of making any comment on Israel's weapons programme.

Are what? - hanging?

Nah its the gas chamber for them
Cheesy

Try at least some time to keep your anti-semitism and holocaust references out of things.

If you believe the holocaust is bad and that Israeli's killing innocent civilians is good, is that not an opinion based on method of genocide because that’s the only difference here.
So if it’s about the method, isn’t gas chambering the most humane way to do it anyway?

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Reply #77 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:16pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:14pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Tell me where I said Israel have none....

Waiting to see this.

Pretty sure I said Israel has never admitted nor denied.

I made no personal comment.

So do YOU think Israel has nuclear weapons?

Most likely yes.
However there has never been any statement by any official from the state of Israel that this is the case.

Work friends of mine who have been in the IDF tell me there is a statement you sign at the beginning of service relating to this and the penalties of making any comment on Israel's weapons programme.

So on the flip side is there any evidence that Iran even has the capability to produce nuclear weapons?

Not the point, at all.
Israel and the United States have made their stance clear.
All of this is just background noise.

Their stance on what, things that havent actually happened and there is no evidential plan for them to happen?

Continued enrichment of uranium and non compliance with the IAEA will see intervention from Israel, supported in the UN by a US veto.

Why are you talking about non compliance with the IAEA?
So basically you agree we should stop Israel??

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Reply #78 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:17pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

the penalties of making any comment on Israel's weapons programme.

Are what? - hanging?

Nah its the gas chamber for them
Cheesy

Try at least some time to keep your anti-semitism and holocaust references out of things.

Andrei,
Is anti-semitism speaking up when you're threatened by Jews?

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In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

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Reply #79 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:17pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Tell me where I said Israel have none....

Waiting to see this.

Pretty sure I said Israel has never admitted nor denied.

I made no personal comment.

So do YOU think Israel has nuclear weapons?

Most likely yes.
However there has never been any statement by any official from the state of Israel that this is the case.
Work friends of mine who have been in the IDF tell me there is a statement you sign at the beginning of service relating to this and the penalties of making any comment on Israel's weapons programme.

One does wonder why you thought that's a distinction worth making.

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Reply #81 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:31pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

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[quote]Are you kidding me?
Even if the IAEA did speak out about Israel which they wouldn’t, no one would care.
Look at how much Israel has already got away with and there are still plenty of people like you ready to kiss their ass

Defending themselves isn't 'getting away' with anything.
They are a nation state, get over it.
They are entitled to defend themselves from Muslim extremism.

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There is no war and Israel is only making itself a rogue state like North Korea being so secretive about it.

What 'rogue' state?
Defending themselves does not make them a rogue state.
Exporting medical goods and computer parts around the planet doesn't make them a rogue state either.
If the Muslims don't like being shot at and blown to bits by Israeli's, then they need to stop firing missiles at kiddies school buses and into Israeli towns.
Killing Jews is not trendy.
Does anyone give a crap about that fact that 70% of children in Sderot have PSDS caused by indiscriminate missile fire at anytime of day or night, or that Sderot is the only town on the planet where people run to the bomb shelters every day.
And as for no war, war has already come to Israel FOUR times in addition to 12,000 missiles and mortar rounds fired in 'peace time'.
They are not about to down tools and loiter around waiting for number 5.

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They are putting the entire planet at risk and yet you seem to think this is acceptable because some people attacked them in self defence.

When will you get it though your thick skull terrorists don't need 'self defence' to kill Jews.
They attack regardless.
And terrorists aren't 'some people'.
Read the Hamas charter, they are sworn to destroy Israel.
Go on, read it.
Israel has already offered the UN the opportunity to place the blue caps in Israel to maintain the peace.
Hell hasn't froze over yet.

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Are you too subtly trying to suggest they don’t have nukes? Read my post a few posts above.

And it's the threat of the unknown which keeps the Arab League from going for round 5.

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What do you expect, are you saying if someone invaded Australia and started slaughtering innocent people that the public wouldn’t stand up and defend itself??

The Arab League started proceedings the day after Israel was formed in 1948.
Next.

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Right, only Israel has the right to commit genocide.

What genocide would that be.
The last census carried out by Hamas showed the population in growing in Gaza.
This 'genocide' is left wing tripe without foundation.

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Israel poses a huge threat for every single living human being. They are about to start world war 3 where millions if not billions could be killed; and that if they don’t end up blowing the entire planet to pieces.
Even without that they have committed countless atrocities, are dangerously unpredictable and are the perfect definition of a TERRORIST STATE.

Where are these 'countless' atrocities?
And your buddies Hamas will tell you if you care to ask that Israel is extremely predictable.
Fire one missile and get a few back, every time all the time.
Pretty reliable I would think.
Shoot at an Israeli, and get shot back except the IDF don't miss.

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Clearly you understand how bad these things are, why support them happening to others in the future.
I know for a fact in 50 years time or so people will be saying the same things we say about Nazis in regards to Israel. There is no difference.
If the Jews wanted these things to stop then they would be peaceful and not aggravate and slaughter people and start wars with no good reason.

Why be peaceful to an enemy who is committed to your death.
Are you a hippy?
Israel is under attack, right now.
And if anyone in 50 years time says the same things about the Nazis as Israel, then that onlt shows how stupid and misinformed and totally wrong some people are eh.
Peace.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105384 Melbourne Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #82 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 5:07pm Chicken - are you an apologist for Jewish nuclear weapons?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #83 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 5:24pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 5:07pm: Chicken - are you an apologist for Jewish nuclear weapons? I can't think of any other country that is in greater need of a powerful deterrent to defend itself. Israel is like Frodo, surrounded by Ringwraiths.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #84 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 5:32pm I have no issue with Israel possessing da bomb. It means they should be able to defend themselves without expecting every man and his dog to pile on for them. Let Israel sort out Israels problems - it's the least they can do since they got given a free country.
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Reply #85 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 8:58pm

The Muslims have the oil and will use that as a weapon against the West. So even if Israel sorted out Iran to its own satisfaction, the larger question of the world economy remains.
SO yes, let Israel deal with its enemies without hindrance.

But the very essential point remains: Israel's enemies are also the enemies of the West. This makes many people squirm very uncomfortably - they are finding themselves in the same camp as the Jews. But that is the truth of it, whether they are comfortable or not: the enemies of Israel would remain the enemies of the West even if they wiped Israel off the map.

Israel is an excuse. The clash is of a much bigger scale.

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Reply #86 - Mar 9^th, 2012 at 10:33pm

Soren wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 5:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Chicken - are you an apologist for Jewish nuclear weapons?

I can't think of any other country that is in greater need of a powerful deterrent to defend itself. Israel is like Frodo, surrounded by Ringwraiths.

But on the other hand - why can't the IAEA have a right to
inspect the Jewish nuclear facilities yet
Iran must comply?
I see hypocrisy here - can anyone else?

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Reply #88 - Mar 10^th, 2012 at 8:48am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 10:33pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 5:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Chicken - are you an apologist for Jewish nuclear weapons?

I can't think of any other country that is in greater need of a powerful deterrent to defend itself. Israel is like Frodo, surrounded by Ringwraiths.

But on the other hand - why can't the IAEA have a right to
inspect the Jewish nuclear facilities yet
Iran must comply?
I see hypocrisy here - can anyone else?

Why pretend that Frodo and the Rigwraiths are indistinguishable?

I see wilful blindness here - can anyone else?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105384 Melbourne Gender:	Re: "Israel & US are one!" Reply #89 - Mar 10^th, 2012 at 8:59am Soren, Quote: I see wilful blindness here - can anyone else? I just see hypocrisy.
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Question: Does Israel have nuclear weapons?
Yes 20 (83.3%) No 1 (4.2%) unsure 3 (12.5%) Total votes: 24 « Created by: Bobby. on: Mar 9^th, 2012 at 11:38am »