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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Make Joseph Kony famous. 2012 Mar 13^th, 2012 at 1:40am 74, 000,000 have watched this so far. Make sure you're one of them and make Joseph Kony famous. H deserves to be because he is the M^%^#$F^$KER
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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: Make Joseph Kony famous. 2012 Reply #1 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 1:48am whats the difference between sony and kony black kids steal sonys, kony steals black kids
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Reply #2 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 9:42am

While I enjoy the idealist mentality shared by Kony supporters that if we stop the bad guy everything will be ok..
It’s not realistic.

Kony is but a small player in our world when it comes to human rights atrocities.
The Ugandan government is said to be much worse than Kony or the LRA, with many people claiming they have killed upwards of 6 million people in a much shorter time frame then the LRA has been around.
But in Africa there are hundreds of warlords.
In South America there are warlords.
In Asia there are warlords.
In Europe,
In America,
In the Middle East.
All of them no more or less bad then Kony, all pretty buggered up.

But they are not even the worst part.
Think about the kids who work there whole lives in sweatshops, or who die of starvation, or so many other horrible things.

Stopping Kony isn’t going to fix anything.
He is a product of his environment and there will be one after him and another and another.

Stopping Kony is a cure, when what we really need is prevention.

You stop the real human rights monsters who enforce poverty on all these nations and make billions starve and you start preventing the problem.

This whole kony thing pisses me off, I have been speaking out against human rights atrocities for almost a decade now and people couldn’t give two schits.
Only when it is in there selfish interest to look good on a status update do they consider someone else, if that really is what they are doing.

Kony is a shame.
The whole idea is flawed:
Start a war with a guy who has an army of children????
Kill the whole lot as long as we get Kony??

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Reply #4 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 11:34am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

This whole kony thing pisses me off, I have been speaking out against human rights atrocities for almost a decade now and people couldn’t give two schits.
Only when it is in there selfish interest to look good on a status update do they consider someone else, if that really is what they are doing.

Kony is a shame.
The whole idea is flawed:
Start a war with a guy who has an army of children????
Kill the whole lot as long as we get Kony??

You're missing the point. Kony is at the top of the list of wanted war criminals. The guy who started this campaign is just as ordinary as you and me. I don't remember his name, but I do remember Kony's NOW.

This is Anarchy in action, power from the people. Are you jealous you aren't as effective? Me too a bit, but it's a model for a new tomorrow. Tomorrow this POWER can take aim at a corporation for running sweat shops or any damned wrong thing.

You don't have to start a war against his army. That's the way leaders do things. They don't like models that focus on THEM. Without getting into the rights and wrongs of it; action that focussed sharply on removing Saddam Hussein from power didn't have to involve going to war against the Iraqi people. You target a few LEADERS like this and you'd be surprised how quick the rest get a sense of responsibility.

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Reply #5 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 11:59am

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You're missing the point. Kony is at the top of the list of wanted war criminals. The guy who started this campaign is just as ordinary as you and me. I don't remember his name, but I do remember Kony's NOW.

This is Anarchy in action, power from the people. Are you jealous you aren't as effective? Me too a bit, but it's a model for a new tomorrow. Tomorrow this POWER can take aim at a corporation for running sweat shops or any damned wrong thing.

You don't have to start a war against his army. That's the way leaders do things. They don't like models that focus on THEM. Without getting into the rights and wrongs of it; action that focussed sharply on removing Saddam Hussein from power didn't have to involve going to war against the Iraqi people. You target a few LEADERS like this and you'd be surprised how quick the rest get a sense of responsibility.

The point is pointless, and if the war criminal list was legitimate it would have the US, Israel, NATO, UK and heaps of other human rights offenders on there.

This is anarchy in the fact that people don’t have a clue what they are doing or supporting. People aren’t going to help anything apart from start another pointless war where the public of the countries involved will get buggered and a small minority will prosper.
I’m not jealous at all, I wouldn’t want the support of the ignorant human race.
This power will not be used for any genuine purpose and if it is tptb won’t let it get anywhere as far as ‘Kony 2012’ has.

This whole thing has been about getting US troops into Uganda.
What are you talking about? The war in Iraq caused the death of millions of innocent Iraqi civilians and these people had more responsibility then any western population before the US came in and raped everything.

I will say it again. Prevention is better than cure!

You should take time to have a good read of these links before you commit yourself so strongly to a cause of which you have only heard one side of the story..

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble

Joseph Kony 2012: growing outrage in Uganda over film
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/uganda/9131469/Jo...
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“What that video says is totally wrong, and it can cause us more problems than help us,” said Dr Beatrice Mpora, director of Kairos, a community health organisation in Gulu, a town that was once the centre of the rebels’ activities.
“There has not been a single soul from the LRA here since 2006. Now we have peace, people are back in their homes, they are planting their fields, they are starting their businesses. That is what people should help us with.”

http://innovateafrica.tumblr.com/post/18897981642/you-dont-have-my-vote

Uganda’s Oil Could Be Gift That Becomes a Curse
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/26/world/africa/uganda-welcomes-oil-but-fears-gra...
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KAMPALA, Uganda — When billions of barrels of oil reserves were found in Uganda five years ago, the discovery seemed like a gift from heaven to many in this poor, landlocked country.

Taking ‘Kony 2012′ Down A Notch
http://justiceinconflict.org/2012/03/07/taking-kony-2012-down-a-notch/

This image really says it all:

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Make Joseph Kony famous. 2012 Reply #6 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 2:01pm Kony is as bad as you can get but I think everyone is being played big time on this one. There has been enough evidence even on this small post to make you ask, "what is the real agenda going on here?"
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Reply #7 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 2:28pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2012 at 2:01pm:

Kony is as bad as you can get but I think everyone is being played big time on this one.

There has been enough evidence even on this small post to make you ask, "what is the real agenda going on here?"

Oh dear, here I am agreeing 100% with the Baron again. What's going on?

Yes, Kony is evil.

However, there's something about this slacktivism campaign that doesn't quite gel with me.

I remain skeptical, so I won't be buying the wrist band or t-shirt just yet.

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Reply #8 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 10:53pm

So we listen to criticism from Uganda's elite profiteers who live in America and the Torygraph? Kony's been going for over 25 years, the Guardian put out a video last year. What has the Kony 2012 campaigtn done wrong? Been too successful? Give it a break, by the end of this year Africa will be one pain in the arse less. Good start.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Make Joseph Kony famous. 2012 Reply #9 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 11:03pm There is many many terrorist all over world -- i have agreement that Kony is also bad man -- but what of Assad?,, what of Hamas?,, what of Ahmadeinjad??,, what of all Mugabe?? Is many many peoples that can be said for this -- not just is Kony.
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Reply #10 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 11:21pm

The Guardians Polly Curtis has done an in depth investigation of invisible children. Some of the people she's interviewed share concerns. Most because of the films focus on Uganda when the LRA now operates in the Congo and other territory. I don't think that's relevant. Others are supportive.

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This from Save the Children's director of policy and advocacy, Brendan Cox:

Anything which continues to pressurise world leaders to bring Joseph Kony to justice is to be welcomed. Joseph Kony's crimes against children are well documented. Murder, recruitment of children as soldiers, mutilation and rape. This viral film shows that even though Joseph Kony is in hiding his crimes will not be forgotten.

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I've just been speaking with Liz Wainwright, an English photojournalist who completed research in Uganda for an Msc in 2009. During her time there she worked with Invisible Children and she gives a really nuanced views of their work.

"Invisible Children have had a huge impact on the area. They are well respected by other NGOs. I worked alongside them and they were very solutions focused. They didn't sit around talking for too long and checked with experts and that the local people wanted what they were doing. So many organisations stomp in, do what they do and leave. It was very needs driven. My impression over the past few years is that they've got very shiny and slick. The media campaigning is a different type of work to on the ground project work they do. I think they need to decide whether they go down the route of media campaigns or do project work. The film is very sensationalist about the conflict in Uganda."

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Ryan Devereaux in our New York office writes:

I managed to speak to Ida Sawyer, a Congo researcher with Human Rights Watch currently based in Goma. Sawyer has studied the Lord's Resistance Army for several years. She made a number of positive comments regarding Invisible Children's work in the region outside of Uganda.

"From out perspective at Human Rights Watch, we definitely support the message of the film and we think it's great that they're bringing so much attention to the film with Kony's crimes and the phenomena of the LRA," Sawyer said.

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PolPup - This whole thing has been about getting US troops into Uganda.
What are you talking about? The war in Iraq caused the death of millions of innocent Iraqi civilians and these people had more responsibility then any western population before the US came in and raped everything.

No it hasn't, it's about this guy killing and mutilating for a quarter of a century and getting away with it beause it suits the suits. As far as Iraq - I couldn't agree more, that's essentially what I was saying.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Make Joseph Kony famous. 2012 Reply #11 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 11:28pm Response to criticism from Invisible Children. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/13/kony-2012-maker-defends-campaign?int...
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Reply #12 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 3:41am

This is just war propaganda from the us. A us-body uploaded the video >.>

Also what else is in uganda? and Africa? oh thats right untapped oil reserves.

So what they do they bring up topic that happened around 20 years ago. I cant believe so many got brainwashed with this load of rubbish get the facts fools.
kony hasnt been in uganda for the past 6 years == i wonder why oh thats right hes in his grave.

America starts wars it creates enemies what would its military be without a mission? 70-80% of americans are fools and totaly clueless on what is happening Evidence = obama. To much fear mongering.

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Reply #13 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 9:43am

Grey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2012 at 10:53pm:

So we listen to criticism from Uganda's elite profiteers who live in America and the Torygraph? Kony's been going for over 25 years, the Guardian put out a video last year. What has the Kony 2012 campaigtn done wrong? Been too successful? Give it a break, by the end of this year Africa will be one pain in the arse less. Good start.

From all sources in the know it would appear that Kony and the LRA have not been seen for many years in Uganda.
The Ugandan people are adamant that he and his army are no longer a threat and somehow I think they would know.
The huge successes of the campaign is of some concern as I don’t believe it could have been so successful without some help from people high up. The social network viral technique seems to have been mastered not long ago with the SOPA/PIPA internet outrage.
About a week before people got mad about SOPA/PIPA there was a small outrage online about the NDAA(Indefinite detention act) which was quickly crushed when people starting worrying about SOPA/PIPA which is a much less bad bill.
Even if we do remove Kony which will be a military effort costing the lives of thousands of Ugandan people, there will be someone else taking his said place within two seconds.
Plus you have to pick your sides, and getting the US army to solve a problem does not seem like a smart idea does it.
Every war they go in for humanitarian issues, they end up creating much worse a problem and installing dictators or militia forces which would be 100x worse then Kony.

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"Invisible Children have had a huge impact on the area. They are well respected by other NGOs. I worked alongside them and they were very solutions focused. They didn't sit around talking for too long and checked with experts and that the local people wanted what they were doing. So many organisations stomp in, do what they do and leave. It was very needs driven. My impression over the past few years is that they've got very shiny and slick. The media campaigning is a different type of work to on the ground project work they do. I think they need to decide whether they go down the route of media campaigns or do project work. The film is very sensationalist about the conflict in Uganda."

I cant help but think that if this was true they would have shown some of that in the Movie.

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Response to criticism from Invisible Children.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/13/kony-2012-maker-defends-campaign?int...

This only really addresses the fiscal issues which is not what people should be concerned about.

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Reply #14 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 9:44am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 13^th, 2012 at 11:03pm:

There is many many terrorist all over world -- i have agreement that Kony is also bad man -- but what of Assad?,, what of Hamas?,, what of Ahmadeinjad??,, what of all Mugabe??

Is many many peoples that can be said for this -- not just is Kony.

Maybe we can look at getting rid of those guys after we stop the sick Israeli and US terrorist governments.

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