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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: How I miss this gem. Oh Juliar, you did it again Reply #45 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:49pm Australia's going to tell China what to do on emissions are they??
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Re: How I miss this gem. Oh Juliar, you did it again
Reply #46 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:54pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Australia's going to tell China what to do on emissions are they??

Nope but waiting for the rest of the world to do something hasnt been Australias thing since Hawke and Keating started reforms.
Imagine if we did nothing and followed the rest of the world back then..we would be in a recession that would make Greece look good.

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Re: How I miss this gem. Oh Juliar, you did it again
Reply #47 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 1:03pm

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

Read the science John. Our emissions of carbon dioxide will reduce the productivity of our planet in the future. You're consuming resources at a price well below their true value. It's called intergenerational subsidisation. As a businessman you should know the best way to solve problems like this is through the price mechanism. Instead you want our taxes to subsidise your shift to a less carbon intensive business structure. Tell me what business you're in and I'll tell you where else you're being subsidised.

"Read the science"? Do you mean from so-called experts like Flannery and Garnaut? If so, then no thank you.

I would like toy address my other points. Why did you call me a typical Liberal voter, when I am not, and how is what I earn anyone's business but my own, when I am payed by the tax-payer, but in the private sector?

Gillard lied, you cannot escape this, and why would you call the Coalition and others "morally bankrupt" for pointing out this lie?

You're correct, while it might be typical Liberal behaviour, that does not necessarily make you a Liberal.

They are morally bankrupt because they are playing politics with what is surely the greatest threat to humanity we have ever experienced. Once reality hits, Malcolm Turnbull will be the only one of this treasonous lot that will be remembered with any respect. Abbott will be remembered as the man who was prepared to gamble the future of his children, and our children, for his own personal aggrandisement.

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Re: How I miss this gem. Oh Juliar, you did it again
Reply #48 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 1:26pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

Read the science John. Our emissions of carbon dioxide will reduce the productivity of our planet in the future. You're consuming resources at a price well below their true value. It's called intergenerational subsidisation. As a businessman you should know the best way to solve problems like this is through the price mechanism. Instead you want our taxes to subsidise your shift to a less carbon intensive business structure. Tell me what business you're in and I'll tell you where else you're being subsidised.

"Read the science"? Do you mean from so-called experts like Flannery and Garnaut? If so, then no thank you.

I would like toy address my other points. Why did you call me a typical Liberal voter, when I am not, and how is what I earn anyone's business but my own, when I am payed by the tax-payer, but in the private sector?

Gillard lied, you cannot escape this, and why would you call the Coalition and others "morally bankrupt" for pointing out this lie?

You're correct, while it might be typical Liberal behaviour, that does not necessarily make you a Liberal.

They are morally bankrupt because they are playing politics with what is surely the greatest threat to humanity we have ever experienced. Once reality hits, Malcolm Turnbull will be the only one of this treasonous lot that will be remembered with any respect. Abbott will be remembered as the man who was prepared to gamble the future of his children, and our children, for his own personal aggrandisement.

World wide emissions are going up. 100's of millions of people are gaining wealth and lifting their carbon foot print as they seek life's comforts and modern technology.

Can you tell me what Tony Abbott can do about it?

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Re: How I miss this gem. Oh Juliar, you did it again
Reply #49 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 2:25pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 5:49am:

Jules Gillard at her lying best

From 2005
Quote:

The Labor Party is the party of truth telling. When we go out into the electorate and make promises, do you know what we would do in government: we would keep them. When we say them, we mean them. That is the difference between you and us. If I were minister for health in an elected government, it would be my duty to implement lock, stock and barrel—word for word—exactly what we had promised in the election campaign. That is your obligation.

Dont know about the site link, but it is on there somewhere.
http://www.kevinruddthedisaster.com/

non-core promise
A commitment to deliver (a service, funding, an item) that is subsequently set aside. The broken promise is then explained with the glib expression "oh, but that promise was non-core".

Now generalised to non-political situations, too.

Origin: Australian federal elections at the turn of the 20th/21st centuries. The conservative party (known as the Liberal/National coalition) made a number of election promises which were broken soon after the election. The prime minister, John Howard, attempted to explain this behaviour by claiming that some promises are "core" and some are "non-core" and thus, don't count.
Not only did "No tax increases, no new taxes" turn out to be a non-core promise,

but in the campaign, Howard had also given a solemn undertaking that "I'm not going to break any promises"

. That one was certainly non-core.

Laurie Oakes (Australian political reporter/writer)
Excerpt from National Nine News (network TV) 12 May 2005
as quoted at news.ninemsn.com.au

So your immeasurably small mind has immeasurably short memory. The question is how Abbott will survive now he has wrecked it for all future politicians. He will be sacrificed if he even sways slightly after using this issue to relentlessly attack a Government. Good luck losers you are backing a fly blown sheep

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nairbe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2587 Rural NSW Gender:	Re: How I miss this gem. Oh Juliar, you did it again Reply #50 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 2:27pm This might be from the AWU but it makes for a good giggle. http://www.awu.net.au/109589607626152_5.html?H%7C19%7C109589607626152%7C1650569191203
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Reply #51 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:21pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

Read the science John. Our emissions of carbon dioxide will reduce the productivity of our planet in the future. You're consuming resources at a price well below their true value. It's called intergenerational subsidisation. As a businessman you should know the best way to solve problems like this is through the price mechanism. Instead you want our taxes to subsidise your shift to a less carbon intensive business structure. Tell me what business you're in and I'll tell you where else you're being subsidised.

"Read the science"? Do you mean from so-called experts like Flannery and Garnaut? If so, then no thank you.

I would like toy address my other points. Why did you call me a typical Liberal voter, when I am not, and how is what I earn anyone's business but my own, when I am payed by the tax-payer, but in the private sector?

Gillard lied, you cannot escape this, and why would you call the Coalition and others "morally bankrupt" for pointing out this lie?

You're correct, while it might be typical Liberal behaviour, that does not necessarily make you a Liberal.

They are morally bankrupt because they are playing politics with what is surely the greatest threat to humanity we have ever experienced. Once reality hits, Malcolm Turnbull will be the only one of this treasonous lot that will be remembered with any respect. Abbott will be remembered as the man who was prepared to gamble the future of his children, and our children, for his own personal aggrandisement.

So pointing out a PM's blatant lie and criticising her for it is 'playing politics? Climate change is hardly a proven science. Why should we believe fools like Flannery after his idiotic and wrong predictions?

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Re: How I miss this gem. Oh Juliar, you did it again
Reply #52 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:31pm

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

So pointing out a PM's blatant lie and criticising her for it is 'playing politics? Climate change is hardly a proven science. Why should we believe fools like Flannery after his idiotic and wrong predictions?

No, undermining his leader who had negoiated an ETS with the elected government who BTW campaigned quite openly on bringing one in so therefore had a mandate to do so is the reason Abbott is nothing but a hypocrite when calls for an election for the public to decide on anything.

As proven if he doesn't like what we vote for he ignores it.

So POT/KETTLE BLACK seems to come to mind everytime I hear Abbott spruke his garbage.

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Reply #53 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 6:00am:

I gave my preferences to Labor because at the last two elections they promised an ETS, something Julia is delivering lock stock, and barrel.

Will you explain what you expect the ETS to do for you and for Australia apart from closing down more businesses and putting people out on the street?

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olde.sault Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2913	Re: How I miss this gem. Oh Juliar, you did it again Reply #54 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:38pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 7:37pm: JuLiar had to break her promise or go to another election. She chose to break her promise. And you think that's OK, not dishonest and so unworthy of a PM?
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Reply #55 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:40pm

olde.sault wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 6:00am:

I gave my preferences to Labor because at the last two elections they promised an ETS, something Julia is delivering lock stock, and barrel.

Will you explain what you expect the ETS to do for you and for Australia apart from closing down more businesses and putting people out on the street?

Can you explain how you think an ETS will work & how it will close down business?

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Reply #56 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:42pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

olde.sault wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 7:29am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 6:00am:

I gave my preferences to Labor because at the last two elections they promised an ETS, something Julia is delivering lock stock, and barrel.

You give your preference to Labor because this party
somehow benefits you and to hell with everyone else! I do OK under the Coalition or Labor, but my children and grandchildren are struggling under Labor and my great grandchildren will suffer even more unless these bast*rds are kicked out and when I say "kicked out" I
mean it literally!

Unless Labor is voted out next election, the communists will take over - then everyone will be poor except the heavies who are "more equal than others" (remember Stalin?)

I'm an indoctrinated economist who loves the price mechanism. I hate market imperfections such as externalities and anti competitive behaviour. I'm paid a fair enough whack so I'm probably better off under a government that provides middle class welfare. But I'm a product of the working class so you're not going to catch me with my hand out asking for assistance I don't need.

I support the current government because I've read enough to understand AGW real. Those of us who have bothered to read the peer reviewed papers understand the science is settled. How fast we get there is debatable but the destination is settled.

Just like you, I'm motivated by the impact our actions will have on future generations. The difference is I read the science while you allow demagogues like Bolt and Jones to filter the science you get.

The ETS impact on future generations will be poverty for all except those "more equal than others".

Hopefully, Abbott will become our next PM (warts, jug-handle ears, mumms, errs, etc..) and save the country.

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Reply #57 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:43pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:31pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

So pointing out a PM's blatant lie and criticising her for it is 'playing politics? Climate change is hardly a proven science. Why should we believe fools like Flannery after his idiotic and wrong predictions?

No, undermining his leader who had negoiated an ETS with the elected government who BTW campaigned quite openly on bringing one in so therefore had a mandate to do so is the reason Abbott is nothing but a hypocrite when calls for an election for the public to decide on anything.

As proven if he doesn't like what we vote for he ignores it.

So POT/KETTLE BLACK seems to come to mind everytime I hear Abbott spruke his garbage.

Didn't the Coalition vote for Abbott (albeit by 1 vote, although I heard recently that many who voted for Turnbull are now on Abbott's side anyway) because they disagree with Turnbull's agreement with the ETS. Putting Abbott there has done wonders for them. I don't like Abbott very much as a politician, but you can't deny that he has put the Coalition in a terrific place, from the wilderness in which they found themselves when Turnbull was leader.

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Reply #58 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:44pm

olde.sault wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 6:00am:

I gave my preferences to Labor because at the last two elections they promised an ETS, something Julia is delivering lock stock, and barrel.

Will you explain what you expect the ETS to do for you and for Australia apart from closing down more businesses and putting people out on the street?

John Howard went to his last election promising an ETS so given Howards track record of creating jobs and prosperity for everyone in this country I can only assume its a great idea. Even Tony Abbott thought it was a good idea during that election campaign before supporting a carbon tax before the last election before changing his mind again and again and again blah blah blah

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Reply #59 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:49pm

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:31pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

So pointing out a PM's blatant lie and criticising her for it is 'playing politics? Climate change is hardly a proven science. Why should we believe fools like Flannery after his idiotic and wrong predictions?

No, undermining his leader who had negoiated an ETS with the elected government who BTW campaigned quite openly on bringing one in so therefore had a mandate to do so is the reason Abbott is nothing but a hypocrite when calls for an election for the public to decide on anything.

As proven if he doesn't like what we vote for he ignores it.

So POT/KETTLE BLACK seems to come to mind everytime I hear Abbott spruke his garbage.

Didn't the Coalition vote for Abbott (albeit by 1 vote, although I heard recently that many who voted for Turnbull are now on Abbott's side anyway) because they disagree with Turnbull's agreement with the ETS. Putting Abbott there has done wonders for them. I don't like Abbott very much as a politician, but you can't deny that he has put the Coalition in a terrific place, from the wilderness in which they found themselves when Turnbull was leader.

I been over Turnbulls unfortunate decision to become leader so early many times, needless to say you are ignoring the VERY REAL circumstances of the time.
The ONLY reason Abbott is where he finds himself is because of Labor and Gillard, he is the very fortunate winner of this perfect storm.

I notice in your haste to praise Tony you have ignored the fact he ignored a mandated policly of an elected majority government.
Why now should we believe he wants what voters want?

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