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Reply #75 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:31am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 7:08am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 6:50am:

All minority governments are forced to compromise. An interim carbon tax is more consistent with Labor policy than doing nothing. Business as usual would have been a worse breach of faith.

Compromises I can understand and accept. But to go back on what was an iron-clad promise, unambiguous and clear to the Australian people just to win office shows a lack of honour, honesty and integrity. She does not deserve to be our PM for that reason alone.

As far as I was concerned the Labor Party had made an iron clad commitment to do something about shifting to a less carbon intensive economy. Indeed, they had a mandate from the previous election.

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Reply #76 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:26pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:31am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 7:08am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 6:50am:

All minority governments are forced to compromise. An interim carbon tax is more consistent with Labor policy than doing nothing. Business as usual would have been a worse breach of faith.

Compromises I can understand and accept. But to go back on what was an iron-clad promise, unambiguous and clear to the Australian people just to win office shows a lack of honour, honesty and integrity. She does not deserve to be our PM for that reason alone.

As far as I was concerned the Labor Party had made an iron clad commitment to do something about shifting to a less carbon intensive economy. Indeed, they had a mandate from the previous election.

Shame not all Australians are stupid enough to fall for that. Otherwise the polls might not have labor losing NSW STYLE.

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Reply #77 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:37pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:26pm:

Shame not all Australians are stupid enough to fall for that. Otherwise the polls might not have labor losing NSW STYLE.

It's a 3% margin lolly! And there's like 18 months to go!!

Ah well, you just keep that "losing NSW style" thought close to your heart if it keeps you warm lolly. Geez, I know how little else you righties have got to make you feel good. I mean... Abbott!!??

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Reply #79 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:20pm

adelcrow wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:41pm:

The more states that go to the Libs the more chance Labor has of holding power after the next federal election.
Howard played to it when he was in power and if Jewliar has any sense so will she.

One problem but labrats. A big new tax, debt, lie after lie, full blown incompetence ect ect. The one problem is the labor party themselves.

This labor government holds all precendence in why you should not vote labor back into federal power. I can't remember the last time a party was so toxic.

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Reply #80 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:24pm

adelcrow wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:41pm:

The more states that go to the Libs the more chance Labor has of holding power after the next federal election.
Howard played to it when he was in power and if Jewliar has any sense so will she.

Not if Julia is still leading. Surely they will have to put in someone else after the Qld massacre. They couldn't be stupid enough not to, right?

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Reply #81 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:27pm

john_g wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

What do you mean he ignored the policy? Please be more specific here, in what regard do you mean?

Sorry, thought I was being reasonably clear.
Rudd in 07 very publicly campaigned on bringing an ETS in.
He was elected with a majority, which in this day and age is seen as a mandate.
The Greens opposed his model as not strong enough so therefore he negotiated it through with the coalition.
Abbott encouraged by Mitchen and the Nationals then took his chance and knocked off Turnbull as leader, and scrapped the deal, effectively thumbing his nose at the majority of Australian voters and the mandate given to Rudd.

I personally think Abbott would/is a reasonable pollie, if you need someone to pull others into line or doggedly pursue a policy his the one, he's just not a leader or PM he needs to be directed, shown a target.
Which in a way is a reason his doing so well, his target is Gillard but when we start asking what he'll do he goes to water.

Ok, thank you. Yes, I agree on all points. As I have said on countless occasions before, I am a centrist a swinging voter, I have voted Liberal 4 times, Labor 3, so it's nearly even. I don't think that Abbott is PM material either, but he will be no worse than Gillard. Both are terrible choices, in my view. How do you feel?

Exactly the same only Abbot's front bench scares me alot more than Labors.

Labor may leave a debt but at least they don't encourage & pander to the lowest common denominators in our society.

Why?

I don't see how the Coalition pander to the LCD more than Labor, either. Could you kindly elaborate?

If your happy for important issues to be reduced to 3 word slogans and repeated infintium.

If your happy for the opposition front bench to go on Sunrise and Today for puff pieces instead of crediable serious news and political shows, as pointed out by Barry Cassidy today on Insiders

"There has been remarks made and letters appearing in newspapers about the fact that we have had 7 shows WITHOUT a member for the opposition appearing, it's not for lack of trying we have requested every week, we are desparate, we even told Abbott's office this week we'll take anyone, yet no luck"

Watch for yourself it's within the 1st 5 minutes, the opening segment.

If your happy for the leader of the opposition to say one thing to a 2GB shockjock and his audience and then another to the parliament about the same issue, as pointed out in the thread on Palmer's high court challenge.

Your mind seems already made up John, no matter your voting record.

Then again so is mine, I never vote for an Abbott lead coalition, however if they get rid of him and actually become the Liberal party again, I vote for them in a heartbeat.

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Reply #82 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:27pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:27pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

What do you mean he ignored the policy? Please be more specific here, in what regard do you mean?

Sorry, thought I was being reasonably clear.
Rudd in 07 very publicly campaigned on bringing an ETS in.
He was elected with a majority, which in this day and age is seen as a mandate.
The Greens opposed his model as not strong enough so therefore he negotiated it through with the coalition.
Abbott encouraged by Mitchen and the Nationals then took his chance and knocked off Turnbull as leader, and scrapped the deal, effectively thumbing his nose at the majority of Australian voters and the mandate given to Rudd.

I personally think Abbott would/is a reasonable pollie, if you need someone to pull others into line or doggedly pursue a policy his the one, he's just not a leader or PM he needs to be directed, shown a target.
Which in a way is a reason his doing so well, his target is Gillard but when we start asking what he'll do he goes to water.

Ok, thank you. Yes, I agree on all points. As I have said on countless occasions before, I am a centrist a swinging voter, I have voted Liberal 4 times, Labor 3, so it's nearly even. I don't think that Abbott is PM material either, but he will be no worse than Gillard. Both are terrible choices, in my view. How do you feel?

Exactly the same only Abbot's front bench scares me alot more than Labors.

Labor may leave a debt but at least they don't encourage & pander to the lowest common denominators in our society.

Why?

I don't see how the Coalition pander to the LCD more than Labor, either. Could you kindly elaborate?

If your happy for important issues to be reduced to 3 word slogans and repeated infintium.

If your happy for the opposition front bench to go on Sunrise and Today for puff pieces instead of crediable serious news and political shows, as pointed out by Barry Cassidy today on Insiders

"There has been remarks made and letters appearing in newspapers about the fact that we have had 7 shows WITHOUT a member for the opposition appearing, it's not for lack of trying we have requested every week, we are desparate, we even told Abbott's office this week we'll take anyone, yet no luck"

Watch for yourself it's within the 1st 5 minutes, the opening segment.

Your mind seems already made up John, no matter your voting record.

Then again so is mine, I never vote for an Abbott lead coalition, however if they get rid of him and actually become the Liberal party again, I vote for them in a heartbeat.

Smithy, I assume that you are 41 or so, being that you have a 70 after your name? I am the same age, and am a centrist. Others seem to think that you are too. I have not seen enough of your posts to know for sure, but I think that you are in the centre, but lean a little towards the left. The reason that I raise this, is to ask, if you like me, you are a swinging voter?

Yes, my mind is indeed made up. There is not a 0.1% chance that I am voting for Labor. I MAY vote Liberal, if they impress me enough beforehand. Odds are though, that I will be voting informally.

As for the Insiders, I watch it some of the time, but I didn't catch that episode. that's weak if no Coalition members have accpeted to go on the program, but I am sure that the reverse has been true for Labor members on particular shows, though I cannot name a specific example. The Coalition have been using short slogans far too much, I agree, but to be fair, it's working in their favour. I hope that it doesn't sound like I am defending them, as I am no fan at the moment. I just view them as the lesser of two evils.

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Reply #83 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:33pm

john_g wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:27pm:

Smithy, I assume that you are 41 or so, being that you have a 70 after your name? I am the same age, and am a centrist. Others seem to think that you are too. I have not seen enough of your posts to know for sure, but I think that you are in the centre, but lean a little towards the left. The reason that I raise this, is to ask, if you like me, you are a swinging voter?

Yes, my mind is indeed made up. There is not a 0.1% chance that I am voting for Labor. I MAY vote Liberal, if they impress me enough beforehand. Odds are though, that I will be voting informally.

You are 100% percent with your accessment, I do like your idea of informal, but then I remember I argue that if you don't vote you can't whinge, so will cast a valid ballot, more than likely for the Greens at this stage.
That left lean you detected Wink

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Reply #84 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:14pm

Further on the informal idea.

I would urge you to reconsider, informal votes will be factered into Abbott's stragey.

He knows if he can capture enough of traditional labor voters, those barely keeping their head above water by dumbing down of issues by the examples I provided , we know often income in some way equates to intelligence, and enough of swinging voters who are comfortable but jaded enough to throw away their voice he will be that much further ahead.

Polls sh!t me I rarely even bother reading the weekly thread on the latest bee's dick shift,(usually within the margin of error) but the 2PP is only somewhere around 3%, close enough that informals playing a roll is not out of the question.

Surely there is some Independent or Green or whatever that you can at least cast a joke ballot for making sure their preferences put the 2 majors close to the bottom.

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Reply #85 - Mar 19^th, 2012 at 8:39pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:33pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:27pm:

Smithy, I assume that you are 41 or so, being that you have a 70 after your name? I am the same age, and am a centrist. Others seem to think that you are too. I have not seen enough of your posts to know for sure, but I think that you are in the centre, but lean a little towards the left. The reason that I raise this, is to ask, if you like me, you are a swinging voter?

Yes, my mind is indeed made up. There is not a 0.1% chance that I am voting for Labor. I MAY vote Liberal, if they impress me enough beforehand. Odds are though, that I will be voting informally.

You are 100% percent with your accessment, I do like your idea of informal, but then I remember I argue that if you don't vote you can't whinge, so will cast a valid ballot, more than likely for the Greens at this stage.
That left lean you detected Wink

I'm glad that my analysis was spot-on. Wink

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Reply #86 - Mar 19^th, 2012 at 8:43pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:14pm:

Further on the informal idea.

I would urge you to reconsider, informal votes will be factered into Abbott's stragey.

He knows if he can capture enough of traditional labor voters, those barely keeping their head above water by dumbing down of issues by the examples I provided , we know often income in some way equates to intelligence, and enough of swinging voters who are comfortable but jaded enough to throw away their voice he will be that much further ahead.

Polls sh!t me I rarely even bother reading the weekly thread on the latest bee's dick shift,(usually within the margin of error) but the 2PP is only somewhere around 3%, close enough that informals playing a roll is not out of the question.

Surely there is some Independent or Green or whatever that you can at least cast a joke ballot for making sure their preferences put the 2 majors close to the bottom.

I understand what you're saying, but I do not see any point in voting Green. It's their fault that we have the carbon tax in the first place, and a vote for them is essentially a vote for Labor, at any rate. I see them and Labor as pretty much the same entity. In my electorate, no one runs in the Lower House except the three. I MAY vote for Bronwyn Bishop, but there's no chance that Labor or Greens are getting my vote. It's Bishop/Liberal or independent. As for the Senate, I will have to review all of the parties, and hope that I find a decent one.

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