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Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Reply #15 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:06pm
 
skippy. wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:47pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Queensland Labor to be wiped out: poll


Queensland's Labor government is headed for a devastating defeat at next Saturday's state election, if the latest opinion poll proves accurate.

According to a Galaxy Poll, published in Queensland's Sunday Mail, the Liberal National Party retains a huge 20-point advantage on a two-party preferred basis.

The LNP leads Labor 60-to-40 per cent in the poll of 800 voters taken on Thursday and Friday nights. The results were the same as the previous poll in mid-February.

The Sunday Mail says Labor, which currently holds 51 seats, could end up with as few as 12 seats.


If Labor can take any comfort from the poll, it might be that while LNP leader Campbell Newman is the preferred premier over the incumbent Anna Bligh, he only leads by eight points, 51-43.

All opinion polls have a margin of error, but the huge LNP lead suggests Mr Newman will be Queensland's next premier, as long as wins the seat of Ashgrove, where he is in a tight race with incumbent Kate Jones.

Link -
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/queensland-labor-to-be-w...
=================================
As I have said previously, it is likely that the Liberals will be in power in all states & Federally.

With Queensland seemingly a forgone conclusion, that only leaves South Australia & the next Federal election left, before Labor disappear completely.

However, for those who may think that will solve all of our problems, rest assured it will not!

IN FACT, HAVING THE LIBERALS IN POWER, WILL ONLY EXACERBATE OUR ECONOMIC WOES, AS THEY REVERT TO THEIR STANDARD, GENERAL AUS-TERITY APPROACH!


What a fool. Under the previous Coalition government, this country's economy was one of the strongest and fastest-growing in the entire world. After paying off Keating's debt of nearly $100bn, Howard/Costello set about creating an enormous surplus that - suprise, suprise - Labor has gone and wasted through its economic incompetence! Australia seems to always be far better off under a Coalition government than a Labor government.

Only in the eyes of partisan hacks. Roll Eyes


So would you say Australia's economy is being managed competently by Labor? Yes or no.
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Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Reply #16 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:07pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:47pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Queensland Labor to be wiped out: poll


Queensland's Labor government is headed for a devastating defeat at next Saturday's state election, if the latest opinion poll proves accurate.

According to a Galaxy Poll, published in Queensland's Sunday Mail, the Liberal National Party retains a huge 20-point advantage on a two-party preferred basis.

The LNP leads Labor 60-to-40 per cent in the poll of 800 voters taken on Thursday and Friday nights. The results were the same as the previous poll in mid-February.

The Sunday Mail says Labor, which currently holds 51 seats, could end up with as few as 12 seats.


If Labor can take any comfort from the poll, it might be that while LNP leader Campbell Newman is the preferred premier over the incumbent Anna Bligh, he only leads by eight points, 51-43.

All opinion polls have a margin of error, but the huge LNP lead suggests Mr Newman will be Queensland's next premier, as long as wins the seat of Ashgrove, where he is in a tight race with incumbent Kate Jones.

Link -
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/queensland-labor-to-be-w...
=================================
As I have said previously, it is likely that the Liberals will be in power in all states & Federally.

With Queensland seemingly a forgone conclusion, that only leaves South Australia & the next Federal election left, before Labor disappear completely.

However, for those who may think that will solve all of our problems, rest assured it will not!

IN FACT, HAVING THE LIBERALS IN POWER, WILL ONLY EXACERBATE OUR ECONOMIC WOES, AS THEY REVERT TO THEIR STANDARD, GENERAL AUS-TERITY APPROACH!


What a fool. Under the previous Coalition government, this country's economy was one of the strongest and fastest-growing in the entire world. After paying off Keating's debt of nearly $100bn, Howard/Costello set about creating an enormous surplus that - suprise, suprise - Labor has gone and wasted through its economic incompetence! Australia seems to always be far better off under a Coalition government than a Labor government.


Again, as previously stated, I believe that the Liberals Debt reduction program under Howard/Costello was one of the 3 best Economic moves made by OZ Politicians over many decades, the other 2 being -
1) The Float of the OZ$.
2) The introduction of the Super Guarantee.

Without wasting too much time on it, let me say that there are "normal business/government Economic cycles" and depending on what point the cycle is at will largely dictate the actions that governments can take!

That said, the recent, current and near future events, that are pushing the local (OZ) and Global Economy, are well outside the factors usually associated with the "normal Economic cycle"!

I've told you that, simply to say this, that stimulating the Economy, by  throwing money at it, was the correct Economic play for the years since the current GFC started back in 2007 (within limits), which happens to coincide with when Labor came to power, although Labor still managed a few stuff ups.

However, to pay credit where it is entitled, Labor may not have had the leeway, if the Libs hadn't got the Debt back under control.

That said, the Howard/ Costello years had a unique, once in history, window of opportunity to get Debt down, because they enjoyed the Peak years of the Baby Boomers Boom. However, the Libs could have & should have done much more, but we are certainly much better off than many other countries, because their Pollies did very little and in a number of instances they went backward.

In any event that's all history, because the period ahead will be well outside "normal Economic cycles" and if any government introduces general AUS-terity programs, IT WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THE ECONOMIC DECLINE OF THAT COUNTRY!



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Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Reply #17 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:16pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:47pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Queensland Labor to be wiped out: poll


Queensland's Labor government is headed for a devastating defeat at next Saturday's state election, if the latest opinion poll proves accurate.

According to a Galaxy Poll, published in Queensland's Sunday Mail, the Liberal National Party retains a huge 20-point advantage on a two-party preferred basis.

The LNP leads Labor 60-to-40 per cent in the poll of 800 voters taken on Thursday and Friday nights. The results were the same as the previous poll in mid-February.

The Sunday Mail says Labor, which currently holds 51 seats, could end up with as few as 12 seats.


If Labor can take any comfort from the poll, it might be that while LNP leader Campbell Newman is the preferred premier over the incumbent Anna Bligh, he only leads by eight points, 51-43.

All opinion polls have a margin of error, but the huge LNP lead suggests Mr Newman will be Queensland's next premier, as long as wins the seat of Ashgrove, where he is in a tight race with incumbent Kate Jones.

Link -
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/queensland-labor-to-be-w...
=================================
As I have said previously, it is likely that the Liberals will be in power in all states & Federally.

With Queensland seemingly a forgone conclusion, that only leaves South Australia & the next Federal election left, before Labor disappear completely.

However, for those who may think that will solve all of our problems, rest assured it will not!

IN FACT, HAVING THE LIBERALS IN POWER, WILL ONLY EXACERBATE OUR ECONOMIC WOES, AS THEY REVERT TO THEIR STANDARD, GENERAL AUS-TERITY APPROACH!


What a fool. Under the previous Coalition government, this country's economy was one of the strongest and fastest-growing in the entire world. After paying off Keating's debt of nearly $100bn, Howard/Costello set about creating an enormous surplus that - suprise, suprise - Labor has gone and wasted through its economic incompetence! Australia seems to always be far better off under a Coalition government than a Labor government.


Again, as previously stated, I believe that the Liberals Debt reduction program under Howard/Costello was one of the 3 best Economic moves made by OZ Politicians over many decades, the other 2 being -
1) The Float of the OZ$.
2) The introduction of the Super Guarantee.

Without wasting too much time on it, let me say that there are "normal business/government Economic cycles" and depending on what point the cycle is at will largely dictate the actions that governments can take!

That said, the recent, current and near future events, that are pushing the local (OZ) and Global Economy, are well outside the factors usually associated with the "normal Economic cycle"!

I've told you that, simply to say this, that stimulating the Economy, by  throwing money at it, was the correct Economic play for the years since the current GFC started back in 2007 (within limits), which happens to coincide with when Labor came to power, although Labor still managed a few stuff ups.

However, to pay credit where it is entitled, Labor may not have had the leeway, if the Libs hadn't got the Debt back under control.

That said, the Howard/ Costello years had a unique, once in history, window of opportunity to get Debt down, because they enjoyed the Peak years of the Baby Boomers Boom. However, the Libs could have & should have done much more, but we are certainly much better off than many other countries, because their Pollies did very little and in a number of instances they went backward.

In any event that's all history, because the period ahead will be well outside "normal Economic cycles" and if any government introduces general AUS-terity programs, IT WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THE ECONOMIC DECLINE OF THAT COUNTRY!





Simply throwing money at a problem is not an indicator of good economic policy. If anything, it is the complete opposite. A few stuff-ups? Tell that to the families of the young men who died in the bungled/rorted insulation scheme and to those families who were lucky to live when their houses burned down. Tell that to the families who lost their life savings when their businesses went bust due to bungled stimulus scheme's. Tell that to schools who did not get value for money in the bungled and massively rorted BER. Tell that to the Australian people who now have to pay back an ever-increasing debt thanks to the incompetence of a panic-stricken Labor government that had absolutely no idea what on earth it was doing during the GFC, as evidenced by the deaths, houses burnt down and billions of dollars wasted.
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Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Reply #18 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:39pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:16pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:47pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Queensland Labor to be wiped out: poll


Queensland's Labor government is headed for a devastating defeat at next Saturday's state election, if the latest opinion poll proves accurate.

According to a Galaxy Poll, published in Queensland's Sunday Mail, the Liberal National Party retains a huge 20-point advantage on a two-party preferred basis.

The LNP leads Labor 60-to-40 per cent in the poll of 800 voters taken on Thursday and Friday nights. The results were the same as the previous poll in mid-February.

The Sunday Mail says Labor, which currently holds 51 seats, could end up with as few as 12 seats.


If Labor can take any comfort from the poll, it might be that while LNP leader Campbell Newman is the preferred premier over the incumbent Anna Bligh, he only leads by eight points, 51-43.

All opinion polls have a margin of error, but the huge LNP lead suggests Mr Newman will be Queensland's next premier, as long as wins the seat of Ashgrove, where he is in a tight race with incumbent Kate Jones.

Link -
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/queensland-labor-to-be-w...
=================================
As I have said previously, it is likely that the Liberals will be in power in all states & Federally.

With Queensland seemingly a forgone conclusion, that only leaves South Australia & the next Federal election left, before Labor disappear completely.

However, for those who may think that will solve all of our problems, rest assured it will not!

IN FACT, HAVING THE LIBERALS IN POWER, WILL ONLY EXACERBATE OUR ECONOMIC WOES, AS THEY REVERT TO THEIR STANDARD, GENERAL AUS-TERITY APPROACH!


What a fool. Under the previous Coalition government, this country's economy was one of the strongest and fastest-growing in the entire world. After paying off Keating's debt of nearly $100bn, Howard/Costello set about creating an enormous surplus that - suprise, suprise - Labor has gone and wasted through its economic incompetence! Australia seems to always be far better off under a Coalition government than a Labor government.


Again, as previously stated, I believe that the Liberals Debt reduction program under Howard/Costello was one of the 3 best Economic moves made by OZ Politicians over many decades, the other 2 being -
1) The Float of the OZ$.
2) The introduction of the Super Guarantee.

Without wasting too much time on it, let me say that there are "normal business/government Economic cycles" and depending on what point the cycle is at will largely dictate the actions that governments can take!

That said, the recent, current and near future events, that are pushing the local (OZ) and Global Economy, are well outside the factors usually associated with the "normal Economic cycle"!

I've told you that, simply to say this, that stimulating the Economy, by  throwing money at it, was the correct Economic play for the years since the current GFC started back in 2007 (within limits), which happens to coincide with when Labor came to power, although Labor still managed a few stuff ups.

However, to pay credit where it is entitled, Labor may not have had the leeway, if the Libs hadn't got the Debt back under control.

That said, the Howard/ Costello years had a unique, once in history, window of opportunity to get Debt down, because they enjoyed the Peak years of the Baby Boomers Boom. However, the Libs could have & should have done much more, but we are certainly much better off than many other countries, because their Pollies did very little and in a number of instances they went backward.

In any event that's all history, because the period ahead will be well outside "normal Economic cycles" and if any government introduces general AUS-terity programs, IT WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THE ECONOMIC DECLINE OF THAT COUNTRY!





Simply throwing money at a problem is not an indicator of good economic policy. If anything, it is the complete opposite. A few stuff-ups? Tell that to the families of the young men who died in the bungled/rorted insulation scheme and to those families who were lucky to live when their houses burned down. Tell that to the families who lost their life savings when their businesses went bust due to bungled stimulus scheme's. Tell that to schools who did not get value for money in the bungled and massively rorted BER. Tell that to the Australian people who now have to pay back an ever-increasing debt thanks to the incompetence of a panic-stricken Labor government that had absolutely no idea what on earth it was doing during the GFC, as evidenced by the deaths, houses burnt down and billions of dollars wasted.


At that point, it was an absolute necessity and IF IT HADN'T HAPPENED THEN ALL OF THOSE OTHER PROBLEMS YOU REFERRED TO MAY WELL HAVE BEEN INSIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO WHAT MAY HAVE FOLLOWED.

A look at what is going on in Europe, Japan & the USA may provide some insight into what may have happened & indeed what is now in store here, irrespective of whether Labor or the Liberals are in power.

I say irrespective, but again I hark back to the Liberals likely AUS-terity programs and say again that it would exacerbate what will undoubtedly be a bad Economic climate anyhow!
 

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Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Reply #19 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:40pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:03pm:
sorry PN didn't see this thread


No probs, Maqqa!
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Reply #20 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 4:56pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 9:22am:
The switch of the states to Liberal is just the natural political cycle...


I gotta agree with that. It's the L-NP's turn to get those rather ample arses on a Qantas o/seas bound jet. Mind you those fact-finding-missions to Paris, Rome, London, New York, and Vienna can be hellish.
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Reply #21 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 5:40pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:35am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:13am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:42am:
Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.


Better than having Communists running things.


Whilst I'm not a Communist system supporter in general, perhaps there may be some issues to take note of, given the current Chinese Economic position?


You mean how the Chinese CAPITALIST economy is growing strongly because it had 50 years of communist ruin to catch up on? It's not growing because china is some economic template for success. It is growing because for centuries it has been an economic and cultural basket-case and they are just now playing catchup with 80% of th country at a level of progress what we passed a cenury ago
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Reply #22 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:47pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Queensland Labor to be wiped out: poll


Queensland's Labor government is headed for a devastating defeat at next Saturday's state election, if the latest opinion poll proves accurate.

According to a Galaxy Poll, published in Queensland's Sunday Mail, the Liberal National Party retains a huge 20-point advantage on a two-party preferred basis.

The LNP leads Labor 60-to-40 per cent in the poll of 800 voters taken on Thursday and Friday nights. The results were the same as the previous poll in mid-February.

The Sunday Mail says Labor, which currently holds 51 seats, could end up with as few as 12 seats.


If Labor can take any comfort from the poll, it might be that while LNP leader Campbell Newman is the preferred premier over the incumbent Anna Bligh, he only leads by eight points, 51-43.

All opinion polls have a margin of error, but the huge LNP lead suggests Mr Newman will be Queensland's next premier, as long as wins the seat of Ashgrove, where he is in a tight race with incumbent Kate Jones.

Link -
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/queensland-labor-to-be-w...
=================================
As I have said previously, it is likely that the Liberals will be in power in all states & Federally.

With Queensland seemingly a forgone conclusion, that only leaves South Australia & the next Federal election left, before Labor disappear completely.

However, for those who may think that will solve all of our problems, rest assured it will not!

IN FACT, HAVING THE LIBERALS IN POWER, WILL ONLY EXACERBATE OUR ECONOMIC WOES, AS THEY REVERT TO THEIR STANDARD, GENERAL AUS-TERITY APPROACH!


What a fool. Under the previous Coalition government, this country's economy was one of the strongest and fastest-growing in the entire world. After paying off Keating's debt of nearly $100bn, Howard/Costello set about creating an enormous surplus that - suprise, suprise - Labor has gone and wasted through its economic incompetence! Australia seems to always be far better off under a Coalition government than a Labor government.


Again, as previously stated, I believe that the Liberals Debt reduction program under Howard/Costello was one of the 3 best Economic moves made by OZ Politicians over many decades, the other 2 being -
1) The Float of the OZ$.
2) The introduction of the Super Guarantee.

Without wasting too much time on it, let me say that there are "normal business/government Economic cycles" and depending on what point the cycle is at will largely dictate the actions that governments can take!

That said, the recent, current and near future events, that are pushing the local (OZ) and Global Economy, are well outside the factors usually associated with the "normal Economic cycle"!

I've told you that, simply to say this, that stimulating the Economy, by  throwing money at it, was the correct Economic play for the years since the current GFC started back in 2007 (within limits), which happens to coincide with when Labor came to power, although Labor still managed a few stuff ups.

However, to pay credit where it is entitled, Labor may not have had the leeway, if the Libs hadn't got the Debt back under control.

That said, the Howard/ Costello years had a unique, once in history, window of opportunity to get Debt down, because they enjoyed the Peak years of the Baby Boomers Boom. However, the Libs could have & should have done much more, but we are certainly much better off than many other countries, because their Pollies did very little and in a number of instances they went backward.

In any event that's all history, because the period ahead will be well outside "normal Economic cycles" and if any government introduces general AUS-terity programs, IT WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THE ECONOMIC DECLINE OF THAT COUNTRY!






You are still to explain to us how you propose  that a govt (any govt) reduces its debt with cutting back on services, increasing taxes all within a recessed market. You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too.
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Reply #23 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 5:40pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:35am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:13am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:42am:
Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.


Better than having Communists running things.


Whilst I'm not a Communist system supporter in general, perhaps there may be some issues to take note of, given the current Chinese Economic position?


You mean how the Chinese CAPITALIST economy is growing strongly because it had 50 years of communist ruin to catch up on? It's not growing because china is some economic template for success. It is growing because for centuries it has been an economic and cultural basket-case and they are just now playing catchup with 80% of th country at a level of progress what we passed a cenury ago


Your talking about the period of colonialism, theft and slavery China suffered through that bought rise to communism so thats hardly the fault of the Chinese people.
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Reply #24 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 5:46pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:39pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:16pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:47pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Queensland Labor to be wiped out: poll


Queensland's Labor government is headed for a devastating defeat at next Saturday's state election, if the latest opinion poll proves accurate.

According to a Galaxy Poll, published in Queensland's Sunday Mail, the Liberal National Party retains a huge 20-point advantage on a two-party preferred basis.

The LNP leads Labor 60-to-40 per cent in the poll of 800 voters taken on Thursday and Friday nights. The results were the same as the previous poll in mid-February.

The Sunday Mail says Labor, which currently holds 51 seats, could end up with as few as 12 seats.


If Labor can take any comfort from the poll, it might be that while LNP leader Campbell Newman is the preferred premier over the incumbent Anna Bligh, he only leads by eight points, 51-43.

All opinion polls have a margin of error, but the huge LNP lead suggests Mr Newman will be Queensland's next premier, as long as wins the seat of Ashgrove, where he is in a tight race with incumbent Kate Jones.

Link -
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/queensland-labor-to-be-w...
=================================
As I have said previously, it is likely that the Liberals will be in power in all states & Federally.

With Queensland seemingly a forgone conclusion, that only leaves South Australia & the next Federal election left, before Labor disappear completely.

However, for those who may think that will solve all of our problems, rest assured it will not!

IN FACT, HAVING THE LIBERALS IN POWER, WILL ONLY EXACERBATE OUR ECONOMIC WOES, AS THEY REVERT TO THEIR STANDARD, GENERAL AUS-TERITY APPROACH!


What a fool. Under the previous Coalition government, this country's economy was one of the strongest and fastest-growing in the entire world. After paying off Keating's debt of nearly $100bn, Howard/Costello set about creating an enormous surplus that - suprise, suprise - Labor has gone and wasted through its economic incompetence! Australia seems to always be far better off under a Coalition government than a Labor government.


Again, as previously stated, I believe that the Liberals Debt reduction program under Howard/Costello was one of the 3 best Economic moves made by OZ Politicians over many decades, the other 2 being -
1) The Float of the OZ$.
2) The introduction of the Super Guarantee.

Without wasting too much time on it, let me say that there are "normal business/government Economic cycles" and depending on what point the cycle is at will largely dictate the actions that governments can take!

That said, the recent, current and near future events, that are pushing the local (OZ) and Global Economy, are well outside the factors usually associated with the "normal Economic cycle"!

I've told you that, simply to say this, that stimulating the Economy, by  throwing money at it, was the correct Economic play for the years since the current GFC started back in 2007 (within limits), which happens to coincide with when Labor came to power, although Labor still managed a few stuff ups.

However, to pay credit where it is entitled, Labor may not have had the leeway, if the Libs hadn't got the Debt back under control.

That said, the Howard/ Costello years had a unique, once in history, window of opportunity to get Debt down, because they enjoyed the Peak years of the Baby Boomers Boom. However, the Libs could have & should have done much more, but we are certainly much better off than many other countries, because their Pollies did very little and in a number of instances they went backward.

In any event that's all history, because the period ahead will be well outside "normal Economic cycles" and if any government introduces general AUS-terity programs, IT WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THE ECONOMIC DECLINE OF THAT COUNTRY!





Simply throwing money at a problem is not an indicator of good economic policy. If anything, it is the complete opposite. A few stuff-ups? Tell that to the families of the young men who died in the bungled/rorted insulation scheme and to those families who were lucky to live when their houses burned down. Tell that to the families who lost their life savings when their businesses went bust due to bungled stimulus scheme's. Tell that to schools who did not get value for money in the bungled and massively rorted BER. Tell that to the Australian people who now have to pay back an ever-increasing debt thanks to the incompetence of a panic-stricken Labor government that had absolutely no idea what on earth it was doing during the GFC, as evidenced by the deaths, houses burnt down and billions of dollars wasted.


At that point, it was an absolute necessity and IF IT HADN'T HAPPENED THEN ALL OF THOSE OTHER PROBLEMS YOU REFERRED TO MAY WELL HAVE BEEN INSIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO WHAT MAY HAVE FOLLOWED.

A look at what is going on in Europe, Japan & the USA may provide some insight into what may have happened & indeed what is now in store here, irrespective of whether Labor or the Liberals are in power.

I say irrespective, but again I hark back to the Liberals likely AUS-terity programs and say again that it would exacerbate what will undoubtedly be a bad Economic climate anyhow!
 



you do realise they too had the same stimuls programs that we had? and look at the differences in outcomes? could it possibly be that the fundamental of their economy were very differen than ours?
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adelcrow wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 9:22am:
Labor is a victim of its own successes



Love to see these successes some day?

The NSW state was left in complete disarray.

Victoria had a Myki system costing millions which didn't work (i spoke to a mate who works in that area and the system is frighteningly bad - did you know if a tram goes over a multi-crossing point, the system gets wiped and can't read the card....).
Victoria was also left with a debt of billions for a de-sal plant which sits idle and has never been needed once.

Queensland has sold off the public assets, presided over a disastrous attempt to get businesses up to the state and admitted its failure.
It's lack of support for farmers in the North will lead to a catastrophic vote up there.

All in all, in the 3 key states, Labor are leaving all three of them in a total mess.


How long have Labor been in power in all the states?
My arguement is the longer you are in power the more often you will go through positive and negative economic cycles. The same happens to long term Liberal govts as it does to long term Labor govts so I hope no one is surprised when the political cycle repeats itself in the coming decade.
To get excited whether its all Labor or all Liberal govts in power is to ignore history and political as well as economic cycles.

Yeh we sure did bad with a long term liberal government federally. I could feel the pain lol. You may be partly right by sentiment, but not correct in fact.

Labor have screwed the economies of this country and continue to do so federally. The states are getting rid of labor for their poor management that could no longer be ignored.
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Reply #26 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:23pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:47pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Queensland Labor to be wiped out: poll


Queensland's Labor government is headed for a devastating defeat at next Saturday's state election, if the latest opinion poll proves accurate.

According to a Galaxy Poll, published in Queensland's Sunday Mail, the Liberal National Party retains a huge 20-point advantage on a two-party preferred basis.

The LNP leads Labor 60-to-40 per cent in the poll of 800 voters taken on Thursday and Friday nights. The results were the same as the previous poll in mid-February.

The Sunday Mail says Labor, which currently holds 51 seats, could end up with as few as 12 seats.


If Labor can take any comfort from the poll, it might be that while LNP leader Campbell Newman is the preferred premier over the incumbent Anna Bligh, he only leads by eight points, 51-43.

All opinion polls have a margin of error, but the huge LNP lead suggests Mr Newman will be Queensland's next premier, as long as wins the seat of Ashgrove, where he is in a tight race with incumbent Kate Jones.

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http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/queensland-labor-to-be-w...
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As I have said previously, it is likely that the Liberals will be in power in all states & Federally.

With Queensland seemingly a forgone conclusion, that only leaves South Australia & the next Federal election left, before Labor disappear completely.

However, for those who may think that will solve all of our problems, rest assured it will not!

IN FACT, HAVING THE LIBERALS IN POWER, WILL ONLY EXACERBATE OUR ECONOMIC WOES, AS THEY REVERT TO THEIR STANDARD, GENERAL AUS-TERITY APPROACH!


What a fool. Under the previous Coalition government, this country's economy was one of the strongest and fastest-growing in the entire world. After paying off Keating's debt of nearly $100bn, Howard/Costello set about creating an enormous surplus that - suprise, suprise - Labor has gone and wasted through its economic incompetence! Australia seems to always be far better off under a Coalition government than a Labor government.


perceptions - yes, that's the facts
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Reply #27 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 8:30am
 
you do realise they too had the same stimuls programs that we had? and look at the differences in outcomes? could it possibly be that the fundamental of their economy were very differen than ours?





I laugh at the left.. all they talk about is the BOOM BOOM that Howard had...


they never mention the BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM that rudd/gillard have got..

its as if all this govt has done is struggle against adversity hilarious.

the only tsunami thats hit these shores is a labor govt
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Reply #28 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 5:45pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:23pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:47pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Queensland Labor to be wiped out: poll


Queensland's Labor government is headed for a devastating defeat at next Saturday's state election, if the latest opinion poll proves accurate.

According to a Galaxy Poll, published in Queensland's Sunday Mail, the Liberal National Party retains a huge 20-point advantage on a two-party preferred basis.

The LNP leads Labor 60-to-40 per cent in the poll of 800 voters taken on Thursday and Friday nights. The results were the same as the previous poll in mid-February.

The Sunday Mail says Labor, which currently holds 51 seats, could end up with as few as 12 seats.


If Labor can take any comfort from the poll, it might be that while LNP leader Campbell Newman is the preferred premier over the incumbent Anna Bligh, he only leads by eight points, 51-43.

All opinion polls have a margin of error, but the huge LNP lead suggests Mr Newman will be Queensland's next premier, as long as wins the seat of Ashgrove, where he is in a tight race with incumbent Kate Jones.

Link -
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/queensland-labor-to-be-w...
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As I have said previously, it is likely that the Liberals will be in power in all states & Federally.

With Queensland seemingly a forgone conclusion, that only leaves South Australia & the next Federal election left, before Labor disappear completely.

However, for those who may think that will solve all of our problems, rest assured it will not!

IN FACT, HAVING THE LIBERALS IN POWER, WILL ONLY EXACERBATE OUR ECONOMIC WOES, AS THEY REVERT TO THEIR STANDARD, GENERAL AUS-TERITY APPROACH!


What a fool. Under the previous Coalition government, this country's economy was one of the strongest and fastest-growing in the entire world. After paying off Keating's debt of nearly $100bn, Howard/Costello set about creating an enormous surplus that - suprise, suprise - Labor has gone and wasted through its economic incompetence! Australia seems to always be far better off under a Coalition government than a Labor government.


perceptions - yes, that's the facts


Well, I must admit Sprinty, that comment did surprise me, a little.

But, it's good too see some lateral thinking!

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Reply #29 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 5:57pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:35am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:13am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:42am:
Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.


Better than having Communists running things.


Whilst I'm not a Communist system supporter in general, perhaps there may be some issues to take note of, given the current Chinese Economic position?

MASSIVE POPULATIONS PROBABLY NEED A DIFFERENT MODEL TO THE UNSUSTAINABLE ONE OF AMERICAS!

FAKE EGGS/FOOD-STUFFS ARE ALREADY OLD NEWS IN CHINA SO IMAGINE THE CHAOS THAT WOULD COME FROM A CORRUPTED DEMOCRACY PUSHING MERCILESSLY TO 'FREE UP' THE MARKET PLACE!

I MEAN, AMERICA HAS NO COMPULSORY VOTE SO IS IT REALLY A GOVERNMENT RUN BY THE PEOPLE WHEN ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T VOTE ARE AS GOOD AS VOTING FOR THE INCUMBENT THEREBY LEADING TO NO CHANGE!???!

TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT,
IMAGINE IF CHINAS WERE A WAR ECONOMY!

  Shocked  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Shocked
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