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Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/13197601/hockey-rejects-govts-deficit...

Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey has rejected claims the coalition would be running a $9 billion deficit in the next financial year, if it were in government.

Finance Minister Penny Wong on Sunday produced the 2012/13 estimate, which she said was based on the coalition's current spending promises and pledges to dump the federal government's upcoming mining and carbon emissions taxes.

"I don't think the coalition can run around credibly claiming to be a party that is economically responsible when they continue to say they are going to spend this, we are going to fund this when they are opposing revenue sources that fund it," she told ABC Television.

Senator Wong challenged the coalition to "come clean" on the $70 billion worth of savings it says it has identified and tell the government how its estimates are wrong.

"If they are making cuts of that magnitude Australians are entitled to know what they are," she said.

Mr Hockey said Senator Wong's calculations were wrong and recommitted the coalition to removing government duplication to generate savings.

"Previously she's been claiming we have a $70 billion funding short fall, which is wrong," Mr Hockey told Network Ten.

"Now she says it's a $9 billion funding short fall.

"This is a finance minister who has overseen in the last 12 months a deterioration in the federal budget from a $12 billion deficit to a $37 billion deficit.

"So quite frankly we're not going to take any lectures on numbers or on fiscal prudence from Penny Wong."

Opposition finance spokesman Andrew Robb said Ms Wong's figures were "shonky analysis".

Labor wants to deliver a $1.5 billion surplus in 2012/13, after an expected $37 billion deficit this financial year.

Mr Hockey declined to run through the budget savings identified by the coalition but said certain government departments, like the Department of Climate Change and the Department of Environment, would be merged and staff levels reduced.

"We've said we are going to merge the departments, reduce the number of staff," he said.

"We stand by that and you'll see all of our savings initiatives before the next election."

Earlier this month, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said a coalition government would commission an audit to review commonwealth public service operations, and singled out the departments of health, education and defence materiel as examples of areas where staff numbers could be reduced.

He has previously promised to scrap Labor's 30 per cent minerals resource rent tax and carbon emissions tax.

Mr Hockey said that under a coalition government, taxes would be lower.

Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.

"We are going to focus on the overall tax take for Australians," he said.

The coalition has vowed to oppose the government's mining tax, which is currently before the senate, and any other legislation linked to it, including business tax cuts.

Mr Abbott last week said the coalition would deliver "modest" tax cuts for business but declined to recommit to a 2010 election promise to cut corporate tax by 1.5 per cent.

Mr Hockey said the coalition did not know what kind of an economy it would inherit from Labor.

"We don't know what the state of the budget will be ... until just before the election and that's the time when we will finalise all of our numbers and give you all the details on our plans for Australia," he said.
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Reply #1 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:35pm
 
Ahhh yes Doctor Watson but would we be borrowing $200 million dollars a month from China under the Liberals?

And there dear Doctor lies the conundrum for Labor.
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Reply #2 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:40pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.


C'mon Joe, we lived through the Howard era. We've been educated in the way of the weasel word by a master at it! We're not dopes and you're no good at that game. We know what you mean. This translates to your party scrapping the mining tax for your couple of billionaire mates while at the same time increasing taxes on thousands of small and middle sized business. "Overall" taxes will be lower? For the government maybe. For the billionaires definitely. For the little guy? BULL!
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Reply #3 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:00pm
 
Gist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.


C'mon Joe, we lived through the Howard era. We've been educated in the way of the weasel word by a master at it! We're not dopes and you're no good at that game. We know what you mean. This translates to your party scrapping the mining tax for your couple of billionaire mates while at the same time increasing taxes on thousands of small and middle sized business. "Overall" taxes will be lower? For the government maybe. For the billionaires definitely. For the little guy? BULL!


Over all taxes were much higher under the Howard Liberal govt than its ever been in this countries history so what gives Hockey the idea that he and Abbott can deliver lower taxes than Howard and Costello or even this govt which incidentally taxes us much less overall than Howard ever did.
Maybe hes found the Magic Pudding  Grin
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Reply #4 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:13pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:00pm:
Gist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.


C'mon Joe, we lived through the Howard era. We've been educated in the way of the weasel word by a master at it! We're not dopes and you're no good at that game. We know what you mean. This translates to your party scrapping the mining tax for your couple of billionaire mates while at the same time increasing taxes on thousands of small and middle sized business. "Overall" taxes will be lower? For the government maybe. For the billionaires definitely. For the little guy? BULL!


Over all taxes were much higher under the Howard Liberal govt than its ever been in this countries history so what gives Hockey the idea that he and Abbott can deliver lower taxes than Howard and Costello or even this govt which incidentally taxes us much less overall than Howard ever did.
Maybe hes found the Magic Pudding  Grin



Carbon tax will increase cost of living to everyday Australian families by well over $1,200 per year.

Their tax cut compensation will be $3.

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Reply #5 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:23pm
 
Where does that come from?
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Reply #6 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:26pm
 
MOTR wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:23pm:
Where does that come from?



Australian Treasury figures.
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Reply #7 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:32pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:26pm:
MOTR wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:23pm:
Where does that come from?




Australian Treasury figures.


Do you have a link?
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

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Reply #8 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:48pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:13pm:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:00pm:
Gist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.


C'mon Joe, we lived through the Howard era. We've been educated in the way of the weasel word by a master at it! We're not dopes and you're no good at that game. We know what you mean. This translates to your party scrapping the mining tax for your couple of billionaire mates while at the same time increasing taxes on thousands of small and middle sized business. "Overall" taxes will be lower? For the government maybe. For the billionaires definitely. For the little guy? BULL!


Over all taxes were much higher under the Howard Liberal govt than its ever been in this countries history so what gives Hockey the idea that he and Abbott can deliver lower taxes than Howard and Costello or even this govt which incidentally taxes us much less overall than Howard ever did.
Maybe hes found the Magic Pudding  Grin



Carbon tax will increase cost of living to everyday Australian families by well over $1,200 per year.

Their tax cut compensation will be $3.



You are assuming that people are to stupid to change their habits.
Most people will cut their use of carbon intensive goods and services by $1,200 a yr and it wont cost them one extra cent if they have any sense.
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Reply #9 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:04pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:48pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:13pm:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:00pm:
Gist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.


C'mon Joe, we lived through the Howard era. We've been educated in the way of the weasel word by a master at it! We're not dopes and you're no good at that game. We know what you mean. This translates to your party scrapping the mining tax for your couple of billionaire mates while at the same time increasing taxes on thousands of small and middle sized business. "Overall" taxes will be lower? For the government maybe. For the billionaires definitely. For the little guy? BULL!


Over all taxes were much higher under the Howard Liberal govt than its ever been in this countries history so what gives Hockey the idea that he and Abbott can deliver lower taxes than Howard and Costello or even this govt which incidentally taxes us much less overall than Howard ever did.
Maybe hes found the Magic Pudding  Grin



Carbon tax will increase cost of living to everyday Australian families by well over $1,200 per year.

Their tax cut compensation will be $3.



You are assuming that people are to stupid to change their habits.
Most people will cut their use of carbon intensive goods and services by $1,200 a yr and it wont cost them one extra cent if they have any sense.


I doubt anyone is capable of changing their habits to the extent that the carbon tax costs them little or nothing unless we all go live in a cave!!!
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Reply #10 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:07pm
 
Gist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.


C'mon Joe, we lived through the Howard era. We've been educated in the way of the weasel word by a master at it! We're not dopes and you're no good at that game. We know what you mean. This translates to your party scrapping the mining tax for your couple of billionaire mates while at the same time increasing taxes on thousands of small and middle sized business. "Overall" taxes will be lower? For the government maybe. For the billionaires definitely. For the little guy? BULL!



Well you haven't got much to compare with, have you?

Try living thru Whitlam, Keating/Hawke and Juliar... Than you will realise who governs best.
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Reply #11 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:11pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:00pm:
Gist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.


C'mon Joe, we lived through the Howard era. We've been educated in the way of the weasel word by a master at it! We're not dopes and you're no good at that game. We know what you mean. This translates to your party scrapping the mining tax for your couple of billionaire mates while at the same time increasing taxes on thousands of small and middle sized business. "Overall" taxes will be lower? For the government maybe. For the billionaires definitely. For the little guy? BULL!


Over all taxes were much higher under the Howard Liberal govt than its ever been in this countries history so what gives Hockey the idea that he and Abbott can deliver lower taxes than Howard and Costello or even this govt which incidentally taxes us much less overall than Howard ever did.
Maybe hes found the Magic Pudding  Grin


Taxes WERE lower during the Howard years after the introduction of the GST. That was one of the main points of the GST: to remove numerous - and in some cases, duplicitous - taxes and replace them with one tax rate at 10%. However, many of the greedy Labor governments have reneged on their agreement to scrap taxes such as stamp duty which they were supposed to. Remind you of anyone - perhaps Gillard not honouring her agreements???
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Reply #12 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:16pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:11pm:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:00pm:
Gist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.


C'mon Joe, we lived through the Howard era. We've been educated in the way of the weasel word by a master at it! We're not dopes and you're no good at that game. We know what you mean. This translates to your party scrapping the mining tax for your couple of billionaire mates while at the same time increasing taxes on thousands of small and middle sized business. "Overall" taxes will be lower? For the government maybe. For the billionaires definitely. For the little guy? BULL!


Over all taxes were much higher under the Howard Liberal govt than its ever been in this countries history so what gives Hockey the idea that he and Abbott can deliver lower taxes than Howard and Costello or even this govt which incidentally taxes us much less overall than Howard ever did.
Maybe hes found the Magic Pudding  Grin


Taxes WERE lower during the Howard years after the introduction of the GST. That was one of the main points of the GST: to remove numerous - and in some cases, duplicitous - taxes and replace them with one tax rate at 10%. However, many of the greedy Labor governments have reneged on their agreement to scrap taxes such as stamp duty which they were supposed to. Remind you of anyone - perhaps Gillard not honouring her agreements???


The Howard govt remains the highest taxing govt in the countries history..check it out for yourself
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Reply #13 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:36pm
 
beware wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Gist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.


C'mon Joe, we lived through the Howard era. We've been educated in the way of the weasel word by a master at it! We're not dopes and you're no good at that game. We know what you mean. This translates to your party scrapping the mining tax for your couple of billionaire mates while at the same time increasing taxes on thousands of small and middle sized business. "Overall" taxes will be lower? For the government maybe. For the billionaires definitely. For the little guy? BULL!



Well you haven't got much to compare with, have you?

Try living thru Whitlam, Keating/Hawke and Juliar... Than you will realise who governs best.


I reached voting age in 1974 so I lived and voted through all of those. The Howard government was far and away THE worst of the lot thanks very much. King of the weasel word, maker of iron clad non-core promises. He sent us to two pointless wars for absolutely no reason. He lied and he lied and he lied. About everything! At important moments he turned our collective backs on international agreements purely for his own political gain. Basically, he made me ashamed to be an Australian. How anyone can hold that bastard up as some kind of messiah is beyond me. He should be doing time as far as I'm concerned.

In case you think this is a partisan view, forget it. I voted FOR Howard and against Keating. And I definitely voted AGAINST Howard after I realised my mistake.
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Reply #14 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:38pm
 
Gist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:36pm:
beware wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Gist wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Asked if big business would pay less tax, Mr Hockey said "overall tax" would be lower.


C'mon Joe, we lived through the Howard era. We've been educated in the way of the weasel word by a master at it! We're not dopes and you're no good at that game. We know what you mean. This translates to your party scrapping the mining tax for your couple of billionaire mates while at the same time increasing taxes on thousands of small and middle sized business. "Overall" taxes will be lower? For the government maybe. For the billionaires definitely. For the little guy? BULL!



Well you haven't got much to compare with, have you?

Try living thru Whitlam, Keating/Hawke and Juliar... Than you will realise who governs best.


I reached voting age in 1974 so I lived and voted through all of those. The Howard government was far and away THE worst of the lot thanks very much. King of the weasel word, maker of iron clad non-core promises. He sent us to two pointless wars for absolutely no reason. He lied and he lied and he lied. About everything! At important moments he turned our collective backs on international agreements purely for his own political gain. Basically, he made me ashamed to be an Australian. How anyone can hold that bastard up as some kind of messiah is beyond me. He should be doing time as far as I'm concerned.

In case you think this is a partisan view, forget it. I voted FOR Howard and against Keating. And I definitely voted AGAINST Howard after I realised my mistake.


There has been NO ONE (until Rudd/Gillard) who was anywhere near as bad as Whitlam. Howard is widely regarded as one of our best PM's ever.
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