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Question: How Rapists Be Dealt With

Off with their heads! Sharia style!    
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Re: Does Islam permit rape?
Reply #60 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 8:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 7:55pm:
And yet you disproved this by pointing out the bits where Jews were slaughtered and where ethnic cleansing was ordered by Muhammed. Apparently it was not a slaughter because the Jews were OK with it....


Not. In. The. Quran.

You seem to have difficulty  grasping this FD.

freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 7:55pm:
Also, can you please point out the bit about her going back to her own people?


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he said: O Salama, give me that girl, may God bless your father. I said: She is for you. Messenger of Allah! By Allah. I have not yet disrobed her. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent her to the people of Mecca, and surrendered her as ransom for a number of Muslims who had been kept as prisoners at Mecca.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: Does Islam permit rape?
Reply #61 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:29pm
 
I see. I thought you were disagreeing with me about the Jew slaughtering and ethnic cleansing, not about which book it was in.

I see nothing to suggest the Meccan's were "her people". In any case that kind of misses the point. The passage makes clear that the normal outcome for women in her situation (or maybe just the ones who aren't pretty enough to be traded) is sexual slavery. She was initially offered as a prize to the guy who prevented the women and children from escaping. She was hardly "rescued" by a prophet who was looking out for her welfare, she was just more valuable as a ransom.
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Re: Does Islam permit rape?
Reply #62 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:21am
 
Moslems make up 6% of Sweden's population.

77% percent of the rapes in Sweden are committed by moslems ?





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http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2013/06/17/muslims-earn-sweden-the-title-of-...




When are the government and the people of Sweden going to acknowledge the root cause of the explosion of violent crimes in their society in recent years - ISLAM



[Moslem immigrants, are obligated [by their culture] to refuse to abandon their cultural mores, and are obligated [by their culture] to refuse to ADOPT the cultural mores AND TO RESPECT THE LAWS, of the new countries where moslems travel to, to live.      This is because ISLAM teaches moslems [from their childhood] that moslems are superior to all other people, outside of their 'camp'.      And that [because  moslems are morally superior] it is their moslem destiny, gifted by their god Allah, to rule over all other people on earth.]







"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110


"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028


"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

Koran 5.51




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Does Islam permit rape?
Reply #63 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:33am
 

The rape of captive/non-moslem women, by moslem men, IS JUSTIFIED AND LAWFUL WITHIN MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC LAW.






The rape of a non-moslem woman is viewed within the psyche of the moslem man, as a 'lawful' entitlement [to a moslem man].

Because....

To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.



The rape of captive/non-moslem women, by moslem men, is permitted by ISLAMIC law.

Because moslems are superior.        Tongue

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Does Islam permit rape?
Reply #64 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:45am
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:33am:


The rape of a non-moslem woman is viewed within the psyche of the moslem man, as a 'lawful' entitlement [to a moslem man].

Because....

To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.






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Kuwait: "Female political activist" calls for legalizing sex slavery.....


The activist, Salwa Al-Mutairi, suggested apparently seriously in a video broadcast online that she had been informed by some clerics that affluent Muslim men who fear being seduced or tempted into immoral behavior by the beauty of their female servants, or even of those servants 'casting spells' on them, would be better to purchase women from an 'enslaved maid' agency for sexual purposes.

This is not religiously forbidden," she added, indicating that Caliph Haroun Al-Rashid (766-809 AD) was married to one woman but possessed 200 concubines.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1307539638/0#0
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/raymond-ibrahim-kuwaiti-female-activist-advoca...


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Does Islam permit rape?
Reply #65 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 12:28pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:21am:
Moslems make up 6% of Sweden's population.

77% percent of the rapes in Sweden are committed by moslems ?


100% of Yadda's statistics are bs
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Reply #66 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 1:05pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:45am:
To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.



Now Yadda tell us what the punishment for rape is in Islam.



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"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.  She shouted and he went off...

....the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: "O Messenger of God, I am the man who did it to her."

He (the Prophet) said to the woman: "Go away, for God has forgiven you."  And about the man who had intercourse with her, he said: "Stone him to death."

- Sunan Abu Dawud



Rape attacks carried out with weapons carry extra penalties such as double amputation, crucifixion or execution.


How Muslims deal with rapists:

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How Western world deals with rapists:
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Hmmm...which one condones rape? Which one sends the strongest message against rape?






Islam has severe punishments for rape unlike Christianity:

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver... Shocked
- Deuteronomy 22:28





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Kuwait: "Female political activist" calls for legalizing sex slavery.....


This is not religiously forbidden,"she added, indicating that Caliph Haroun Al-Rashid (766-809 AD) was married to one woman but possessed 200 concubines.




Yadda, I wonder why you use the word 'sex-slaves' in the title, but the word concubines in the text.

Is it because the woman you are quoting never used the word "sex-slave"?

I looked at the Youtube video, and the woman you quote never used the word "sex-slave" in Arabic.

A bit misleading isn't it?

This is typical of the anti-Muslim brigade - using lies, fabrications, mistranslations and fake statistics because they are hopeless liars.
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Re: Does Islam permit rape?
Reply #67 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 9:59pm
 
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How Muslims deal with rapists:


TC, would you mind giving a traditional example of a Muslim man being punished in this manner for raping his wife or sex slave? Or even a non-Muslim woman whom he did not own?
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Reply #68 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:23pm
 
True Colours wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 1:05pm:
How Muslims deal with rapists:

Hmmm...which one condones rape? Which one sends the strongest message against rape?

Islam has severe punishments for rape unlike Christianity:


This is typical of the anti-Muslim brigade - using lies, fabrications, mistranslations and fake statistics because they are hopeless liars.


We could look at the recent case in the UAE which jails rape victims, how are you going to bullshit your way out of this one?-
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A Norwegian woman has spoken out about the 16 month prison sentence she received in Dubai after reporting a rape to police.

According to the Emirates centre for human rights,UAE law states a rape conviction can only be secured after a confession or as the result of testimony from four adult male witnesses to the crime.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23381448


Muslims are the only people who jail rape victims, muslims are the only people who need 4 adult males to witness a rape instead of believing the woman.

What do you think of our statutory rape laws,do you even know what they are, would Mohammad be a registered sex offender if he was alive today?
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Reply #69 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 4:31am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 9:59pm:
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How Muslims deal with rapists:


TC, would you mind giving a traditional example of a Muslim man being punished in this manner for raping his wife or sex slave? Or even a non-Muslim woman whom he did not own?


A traditional example? Yeah shall I just pull up all the court records that ever existed and check?


Speaking of traditions, perhaps you can give me some example of people being punished for similar crimes in the non-Muslim world prior to the feminist movement in 1970's?
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Reply #70 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 6:10am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:23pm:
True Colours wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 1:05pm:
We could look at the recent case in the UAE which jails rape victims, how are you going to bullshit your way out of this one?-
[quote]A Norwegian woman has spoken out about the 16 month prison sentence she received in Dubai after reporting a rape to police.


It is a bit dishonest to portray what happened this way isn't it - considering that the woman herself withdrew her allegations of rape:

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Dubai rape victim says she acted stupidly


Marte Dalelv, 24, said she had been tricked into withdrawing her initial rape report, exposing herself to being convicted for consensual extramarital sex. "My boss told me it would be much easier for me that way, since it's extremely hard to get anyone sentenced for rape [in Dubai],'' she said as she returned to Norway. "It's the biggest mistake I've ever made. It was incredibly stupid of me, but that was the advice I got.''

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/brekkie-wrap-dubai-rape-victim-says-she-acted-stupidly-queen-meets-the-royal-baby/story-fndir2ev-1226684678228





Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:23pm:
According to the Emirates centre for human rights,UAE law states a rape conviction can only be secured after a confession or as the result of testimony from four adult male witnesses to the crime.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23381448


The UAE does not follow Islamic law. As a former British colony, it follows a mixture of British law and whims of the dictators who were put in control by the British.






Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:23pm:
What do you think of our statutory rape laws,do you even know what they are, would Mohammad be a registered sex offender if he was alive today?


Considering how societies have married women as they reached puberty through nearly all of human history, we would probably have to assume that most of the men who have ever lived would be registered as sex offenders if current Australian law applied to them.

However, if Australian law was based on science rather than subjectivity, then the answer would be no.

A lot of hypocrisy can be found in Australian law. For example, a person can charged with a crime at 11 years of age. If an 11 year-old was really a child in the scientific sense, then why is it that they can be charged with a crime?


In the US people they can be jailed for life - but can't be married. Make sense?

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Children jailed for life in US


Imagine committing a crime as a child and being locked up in an adult prison for the rest of your life with no prospect of release.

This is the case for over 2,000 children convicted of homicide offences across the United States...

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lawreport/brian-stevenson/4616278

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Reply #71 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 9:25am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 6:10am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:23pm:
True Colours wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 1:05pm:
We could look at the recent case in the UAE which jails rape victims, how are you going to bullshit your way out of this one?-
[quote]A Norwegian woman has spoken out about the 16 month prison sentence she received in Dubai after reporting a rape to police.


It is a bit dishonest to portray what happened this way isn't it - considering that the woman herself withdrew her allegations of rape:

Quote:
Dubai rape victim says she acted stupidly


Marte Dalelv, 24, said she had been tricked into withdrawing her initial rape report, exposing herself to being convicted for consensual extramarital sex. "My boss told me it would be much easier for me that way, since it's extremely hard to get anyone sentenced for rape [in Dubai],'' she said as she returned to Norway. "It's the biggest mistake I've ever made. It was incredibly stupid of me, but that was the advice I got.''

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/brekkie-wrap-dubai-rape-victim-says-she-acted-stupidly-queen-meets-the-royal-baby/story-fndir2ev-1226684678228





Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 10:23pm:
According to the Emirates centre for human rights,UAE law states a rape conviction can only be secured after a confession or as the result of testimony from four adult male witnesses to the crime.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23381448


The UAE does not follow Islamic law.


As a former British colony, it follows a mixture of British law and whims of the dictators who were put in control by the British.




BRILLIANT RESPONSE.          Grin


NEWSFLASH True Colours.

The United Arabic Emirates, is not a colony of Britain.







The United Arabic Emirates is a fully autonomous moslem majority jurisdiction, which decides upon its own laws, being guided by ISLAMIC 'religious' texts and influence.

BUT, if there is found to be fault and error in the laws of the United Arabic Emirates, then we can blame who ????

The influence of those insidious infidels !!




This is a typical moslem response, to criticism of moslem wrongdoing.

1/ If infidels do something wrong, it is because they are infidels.

2/ And when a moslem does something wrong, [moslems ALWAYS will claim that] it is because of the influence or wrong doing of an infidel.




Moslem wrong doing ???

Castigate those infidels!!!



Has a moslem wrong doer ever acknowledged his own error or guilt ???

Show me.

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Reply #72 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 9:45am
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 9:25am:
NEWSFLASH True Colours.

The United Arabic Emirates, is not a colony of Britain.


UAE was a British Colony for 150 years. In December 1971, Britain left a pliant pro-British dictatorship in control, which kept British institutions including a British-based legal system.








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Reply #73 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 10:05am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 9:45am:
Yadda wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 9:25am:
NEWSFLASH True Colours.

The United Arabic Emirates, is not a colony of Britain.


UAE was a British Colony for 150 years. In December 1971, Britain left a pliant pro-British dictatorship in control, which kept British institutions including a British-based legal system.






"In December 1971, Britain left..."


2013
-1971
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42




For only 42 years,
the United Arabic Emirates has been a fully autonomous moslem majority jurisdiction, which decides upon its own laws, being guided by ISLAMIC 'religious' texts and influence.

And the laws of the United Arabic Emirates, mandate the gaoling persons who report their own immoral behaviour,     ....by 'allowing' themselves to be raped.         Tongue

I blame Britain !


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Reply #74 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 11:00am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 6:10am:
The UAE does not follow Islamic law. As a former British colony, it follows a mixture of British law and whims of the dictators


Lots of rape victims jailed in the UAE even the aussie girl Alicia Gali, try google.

Do you have to be a dumbfvckistani with an IQ of less than 80 to be a muslim?

The UAE constitution article 7
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Islam is the official religion,The Islamic shariah shall be the main source of legislation,The official language is Arabic.
Link-www.aceproject.org/ero-en/regions/mideast/AE/united-arab-emirates-constitution-1...


Please cite the british law that requires 4 male witnesses for a rape conviction.

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