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Mar 20th, 2012 at 6:28am
 
Victoria has apx 430, 000, 000 000 tonnes of brown coal.

Should it be burn't?

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Because of its low energy density and typically high moisture content, brown coal is inefficient to transport and is not traded extensively on the world market compared with higher coal grades. It is often burned in power stations constructed very close to any mines, such as in Australia's Latrobe Valley and Luminant's Monticello plant in Texas. Primarily because of latent high moisture content of brown coal, carbon dioxide emissions from traditional brown-coal-fired plants are generally much higher than for comparable black-coal plants, with the world's highest-emitting being Hazelwood Power Station, Victoria.[4] The operation of traditional brown-coal plants, particularly in combination with strip mining, can be politically contentious due to environmental concerns.[5][6]

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MASSIVE new stocks of Victorian coal will be exported to China, India and Japan in a multi-billion dollar plan that is expected to create thousands of new jobs and kick-start the economy.


The Baillieu Government is planning to unlock vast resources of brown coal in the Latrobe Valley in a controversial plan to fire overseas power stations and bring the resources boom to Victoria.

Energy Minister Michael O'Brien yesterday confirmed the Coalition was seeking expressions of interest for new allocations of coal that were hoped to deliver hundreds of millions of dollars in royalties, as well as billions of dollars of investment in mines, processing and infrastructure.

The move flies in the face of the Gillard Government's efforts to slow greenhouse gas emissions through the carbon tax and will inflame environmental groups and the Greens.

But Mr O'Brien said the Baillieu Government was determined to make the most of one of the world's biggest deposits of brown coal.

"The Government believes that brown coal can and should play a key role in our energy future," Mr O'Brien said.

"Encouraging new investors and the right technologies could deliver a new generation of industry in the Latrobe Valley, boosting the local economy and creating new jobs."

Victoria is sitting on an estimated 430 billion tonnes of brown coal, of which 33 billion tonnes could be unlocked from the Latrobe Valley.

But there are doubts about whether the technology needed to dry brown coal - which has a high water content - is advanced enough.

About 65 million tonnes of brown coal is mined in the Latrobe Valley for domestic use each year, but none is exported.

The Government yesterday said it would not speculate on how much additional coal it would allow to be mined until the outcome of the allocation tender process was completed.

But the Coalition claims interests from China, India and Japan are already lining up to buy the coal for low-emission activities including conversion to diesel oil and drying it for export.

The new arrangements are not expected to affect allocations already in place, including coal for the Hazelwood power station.

Victorian Greens MP Greg Barber said exporting Victorian coal would lead to onshore and offshore environmental damage as well as driving up the price for domestic power stations.

He also raised doubts about how interested overseas markets were in brown coal, which would be difficult to transport and provides less energy than black coal.

"Whether the pollution is in another country or Australia, it is doing great damage to the environment and it is quite likely to push up our own power prices in the process," he said.

"If they are exporting it dry there will be huge emissions in Victoria - just associated with getting it ready for export."

BROWN COAL - FAST FACTS

- Brown coal is soft brown fossil fuel used in steam-electric power generation;

- It has a low energy content and is high in moisture, which makes it difficult to transport over long distances;

- Its low levels of ash, sulphur, heavy metals and nitrogen, mean it's lower in impurities than other fossil fuels;

- It is highly volatile, making it easier to convert into gas and liquid petroleum;

- Victoria has one of the world's largest deposits of brown coal;

- Each year 65 million tonnes are mined from the Latrobe Valley for domestic use;

- More than 80 per cent of Victoria's 430 billion tonne brown coal deposit is located in the Gippsland Basin;

- None of Victoria's coal is currently exported, but groups in China, India and Japan have expressed interest.


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Reply #1 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 6:31am
 
Black Saturday bushfires


The Black Saturday bushfires[7] were a series of bushfires that ignited or were burning across the Australian state of Victoria on and around Saturday, 7 February 2009. The fires occurred during extreme bushfire-weather conditions, and resulted in Australia's highest ever loss of life from a bushfire;[8] 173 people died[5][9] and 414 were injured as a result of the fires.
As many as 400 individual fires were recorded on 7 February. Following the events of 7 February 2009 and its aftermath, that day has become widely referred to as Black Saturday.


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Reply #2 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 7:00am
 
Think of the welfare handouts Greens...think of the welfare handouts for all those inner suburban Hypocrites living in million dollar mansions  and it helps ease the pain... Cool
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Reply #3 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 7:23am
 
Just what we need..more productive land dug up and ruined forever just to make a fast buck.
Ya have to wonder just how dumb and greedy this generation really is.
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Reply #4 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 7:51am
 
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Victoria has apx 430, 000, 000 000 tonnes of brown coal.
Should it be burnt?

MASSIVE new stocks of Victorian coal will be exported to China, India and Japan in a multi-billion dollar plan that is expected to create thousands of new jobs and kick-start the economy.
The move flies in the face of the Gillard Government's efforts to slow greenhouse gas emissions through the carbon tax and will inflame environmental groups and the Greens.


Hows that tinned sunlight and bottled wind coming along Woody? Smiley
The Government cannot afford the lefts Utopian socialist state endlessly supporting the unemployed, unemployable, and foreign non english speaking uneducated unskilled 3rd world country shopper and their children for life without exports.
It simply just won't happen.
Because without exports, we become 3rd world standard within a short time.
Don't like coal exports, black or brown or any other colour of the rainbow.
Don't like coal seam gas.
Don't like Uranium.
Don't like mining in general.
Dont want a nuclear dump in South Aus.
Don't want live exports.
But still want the government to provide.
Mmmmm, what to do, what to do.
As I said, hows that tinned sunlight and bottled wind coming along. Grin
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Reply #5 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 8:14am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 7:51am:
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Victoria has apx 430, 000, 000 000 tonnes of brown coal.
Should it be burnt?

MASSIVE new stocks of Victorian coal will be exported to China, India and Japan in a multi-billion dollar plan that is expected to create thousands of new jobs and kick-start the economy.
The move flies in the face of the Gillard Government's efforts to slow greenhouse gas emissions through the carbon tax and will inflame environmental groups and the Greens.


Hows that tinned sunlight and bottled wind coming along Woody? Smiley
The Government cannot afford the lefts Utopian socialist state endlessly supporting the unemployed, unemployable, and foreign non english speaking uneducated unskilled 3rd world country shopper and their children for life without exports.
It simply just won't happen.
Because without exports, we become 3rd world standard within a short time.
Don't like coal exports, black or brown or any other colour of the rainbow.
Don't like coal seam gas.
Don't like Uranium.
Don't like mining in general.
Dont want a nuclear dump in South Aus.
Don't want live exports.
But still want the government to provide.
Mmmmm, what to do, what to do.
As I said, hows that tinned sunlight and bottled wind coming along. Grin



Why stop at brown coal, lets start making nuclear bombs and auction them online.


Seems the right have lost their ethical compass.


A sustainable economy can only be build via an ethical frame of mind
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Reply #6 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 8:15am
 

These people would sell their own grandmother for a buck.


Australia should not be digging up or burning brown coal.
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Reply #7 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 8:16am
 
Bitchface might bring in a Coal Mining Super Profits Tax to help all those pampered middle class Government & Corporate Middle Class Welfare cheats get over the moral anguish of it all... Tongue
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Reply #8 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:19am
 
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chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 7:51am:
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Victoria has apx 430, 000, 000 000 tonnes of brown coal.
Should it be burnt?

MASSIVE new stocks of Victorian coal will be exported to China, India and Japan in a multi-billion dollar plan that is expected to create thousands of new jobs and kick-start the economy.
The move flies in the face of the Gillard Government's efforts to slow greenhouse gas emissions through the carbon tax and will inflame environmental groups and the Greens.


Hows that tinned sunlight and bottled wind coming along Woody? Smiley
The Government cannot afford the lefts Utopian socialist state endlessly supporting the unemployed, unemployable, and foreign non english speaking uneducated unskilled 3rd world country shopper and their children for life without exports.
It simply just won't happen.
Because without exports, we become 3rd world standard within a short time.
Don't like coal exports, black or brown or any other colour of the rainbow.
Don't like coal seam gas.
Don't like Uranium.
Don't like mining in general.
Dont want a nuclear dump in South Aus.
Don't want live exports.
But still want the government to provide.
Mmmmm, what to do, what to do.
As I said, hows that tinned sunlight and bottled wind coming along. Grin



Why stop at brown coal, lets start making nuclear bombs and auction them online.


Seems the right have lost their ethical compass.


A sustainable economy can only be build via an ethical frame of mind


Yes, I forgot nuclear power too.
The Greens don't like that either in conjunction with all those others I mentioned.
And you still havent answered the question Woody.
How do the Greens propose this nation maintain our standard of living without those exports?
Simply put, we can't.
If the Greens don't learn to compromise, they will continue to remain irrelevant at the ballot box.
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Reply #9 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:25am
 
Its pretty pathetic that all we can think to do to increase the wealth of this country is to destroy the land and export pollution.
"Dig it up and burn it" will be this generations catch cry.
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Reply #10 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:52am
 
Agriculture has a brilliant future in a sustainable economy, yet the right is willing to sacrifice food and water for a quick buck for the rich.

Also we could shift towards a transaction tax to make up some of the lost earnings from unethical exports.

Then there are the health savings

The environmental savings

and so on.


The Right has no right it taking away the future of Australia via short sighted and unethical greed.
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Reply #11 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:54am
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:25am:
Its pretty pathetic that all we can think to do to increase the wealth of this country is to destroy the land and export pollution.
"Dig it up and burn it" will be this generations catch cry.


It's not pathetic at all.
It's an uncomfortable reality which the left has continually denied accepting.
As a nation, we are dependant on our exports.
It is that simple.
This is the reality, and has been so not only just for this generation, but the last four or more as well.
And until we can find something else to replace the national wealth created by 'digging something out of the ground' and exporting it, we will continue to mine and export.
And until we can find something that can match coal fired power stations electricity output to meet our growing needs, we are stuck with that as well.
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Reply #12 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 10:00am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:54am:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:25am:
Its pretty pathetic that all we can think to do to increase the wealth of this country is to destroy the land and export pollution.
"Dig it up and burn it" will be this generations catch cry.


It's not pathetic at all.
It's an uncomfortable reality which the left has continually denied accepting.
As a nation, we are dependant on our exports.
It is that simple.
This is the reality, and has been so not only just for this generation, but the last four or more as well.
And until we can find something else to replace the national wealth created by 'digging something out of the ground' and exporting it, we will continue to mine and export.
And until we can find something that can match coal fired power stations electricity output to meet our growing needs, we are stuck with that as well.


I don't disagree with your chook. That we depend on our mining exports is the reality. But it wasn't always that way and it needn't always be that way. We as a nation just have to have the will to change it. But that won't happen when our overriding mentality is solely to dig up everything of any value and flog it off.

It's past time we began looking for alternatives.
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Reply #13 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 10:10am
 
Gist wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 10:00am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:54am:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:25am:
Its pretty pathetic that all we can think to do to increase the wealth of this country is to destroy the land and export pollution.
"Dig it up and burn it" will be this generations catch cry.


It's not pathetic at all.
It's an uncomfortable reality which the left has continually denied accepting.
As a nation, we are dependant on our exports.
It is that simple.
This is the reality, and has been so not only just for this generation, but the last four or more as well.
And until we can find something else to replace the national wealth created by 'digging something out of the ground' and exporting it, we will continue to mine and export.
And until we can find something that can match coal fired power stations electricity output to meet our growing needs, we are stuck with that as well.


I don't disagree with your chook. That we depend on our mining exports is the reality. But it wasn't always that way and it needn't always be that way. We as a nation just have to have the will to change it. But that won't happen when our overriding mentality is solely to dig up everything of any value and flog it off.

It's past time we began looking for alternatives.


Research and development in renewable energy, high end manufacturing and services...that's where future jobs and wealth is going to come from. The Germans manage to manufacture and export solar technology so people are will to pay the price for quality.
Crikey..digging up coal and burning it for energy is something we should have left behind a long time ago.
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Reply #14 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 10:28am
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 10:10am:
Research and development in renewable energy, high end manufacturing and services...that's where future jobs and wealth is going to come from. The Germans manage to manufacture and export solar technology so people are will to pay the price for quality.
Crikey..digging up coal and burning it for energy is something we should have left behind a long time ago.


Coal fired power is great fun for steam punk gatherings. But as a way to power a modern nation? Don't think so.
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