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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamic madman kills 7 people in France Reply #180 - Apr 9^th, 2012 at 7:58pm Jan wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 7:47pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 2:31pm: And deliberate blowing up school bus of children too. You keep repeating this phrase as if it multiples the event? How many buses is that now? How many school buses blown up for Allah is OK with you?
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Reply #181 - Apr 9^th, 2012 at 8:00pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

I am not a phantom jan but I do not like what you say of my home land all the time

That post was to soren not you?

No wonder you don't understand how Palestinians feel about losing their homeland in order for you to have one that never belonged to you ... Back to your comprehension lessons, your slips are showing.

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Reply #182 - Apr 9^th, 2012 at 8:02pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

And why is it extreme to notice that islam causes backwardness and makes them all think in conspiracy theories, ie the whole world is against them. Noticing anything negative in islam is 'extreme'.
A total lack of self-critical distance.

You could be critiquing current American conservatism with that statement.

Even Obama has succumbed to it.

How is it that the likes of Assange can (bizarrely) be accused of disloyalty (treason) to a state of which he is not a citizen?

Every time someone raises the issue of Islam's utter lack of self-critical distance -lo and behold! it becomes an issue about America or Israel or some other people.

Whenever Islam's role and responsibility is raised - the shift to the Great Satan and the Little Satan is instantenous. Islam is just not respoinsoble for anything.

Let's talk about America. But not INSTEAD OF talking about Islam.

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Reply #183 - Apr 9^th, 2012 at 8:05pm

Jan wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

I am not a phantom jan but I do not like what you say of my home land all the time

That post was to soren not you?

No wonder you don't understand how Palestinians feel about losing their homeland in order for you to have one that never belonged to you ... Back to your comprehension lessons, your slips are showing.

You says my name and with a phantom comment and yes every post you says is not complimentary of Israel.

I am very proud of Israel and we brave Israeli people's.

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Reply #184 - Apr 9^th, 2012 at 8:06pm

Jan wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 2:31pm:

And deliberate blowing up school bus of children too.

You keep repeating this phrase as if it multiples the event?

How many buses is that now?

You think is ok to blow up school bus?

You know 11month child, 3 year old child and pregnant woman dies in this suicide bomb of Hamas?

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Reply #185 - Apr 9^th, 2012 at 8:08pm

Jan wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 7:36pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 10:36am:

It goes completely over my head in the sense that I have not posted photos.

You mean you didn't post this? Is your phantom Avatar posting for you?

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Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 11:26pm:

Where's Wally?? wheres_Wally.JPG (102 KB | 2 )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/wheres_Wally.jpg

That's not a photo I posted. That's a photo galah posted. I just put a circle around Bint Wally to claim the prize for being the firts to spot her.

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Reply #187 - Apr 9^th, 2012 at 11:57pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 8:06pm:

Jan wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 2:31pm:

And deliberate blowing up school bus of children too.

You keep repeating this phrase as if it multiples the event?

How many buses is that now?

You think is ok to blow up school bus?

You know 11month child, 3 year old child and pregnant woman dies in this suicide bomb of Hamas?

No its not, which is why I detest Israel for bombing residential areas full of children on a daily basis.

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Reply #188 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 1:20am

Soren wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 8:08pm:

Jan wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 7:36pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 10:36am:

It goes completely over my head in the sense that I have not posted photos.

You mean you didn't post this? Is your phantom Avatar posting for you?

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Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 11:26pm:

Where's Wally?? wheres_Wally.JPG (102 KB | 2 )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/wheres_Wally.jpg

That's not a photo I posted. That's a photo galah posted. I just put a circle around Bint Wally to claim the prize for being the firts to spot her.

AND THEN POSTED IT ... Y' bloody moron

ATTENTION avram NO MENTION of your name in that post to SOREN

AVRAM and SOREN the forums idiot Savants

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Reply #189 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 1:42am

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

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The security council say it cannot support the criticism of Israel.

Well, no.
In the most recent resolution, fourteen of the fifteen members of the security council voted for the resolution that said:

"Israel, as the occupying power, immediately and completely ceases all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem and that it fully respect its legal obligations in this regard."

Only the USA voted no. That was enough to veto the resolution.

But I guess you'll say something like those other fourteen members are not friends of Israel.

Just more evidence that USrael leads the way to world domination and doesn't give a damn for mankind or how many countries it has to destroy to appease their greed and their pockets.

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Reply #190 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 7:30am

Soren wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

And why is it extreme to notice that islam causes backwardness and makes them all think in conspiracy theories, ie the whole world is against them. Noticing anything negative in islam is 'extreme'.
A total lack of self-critical distance.

You could be critiquing current American conservatism with that statement.

Even Obama has succumbed to it.

How is it that the likes of Assange can (bizarrely) be accused of disloyalty (treason) to a state of which he is not a citizen?

Every time someone raises the issue of Islam's utter lack of self-critical distance -lo and behold! it becomes an issue about America or Israel or some other people.

Whenever Islam's role and responsibility is raised - the shift to the Great Satan and the Little Satan is instantenous. Islam is just not respoinsoble for anything.

Let's talk about America. But not INSTEAD OF talking about Islam.

Point taken. However, my comments refer to a broader condition - a siege mentality - from which the effects of militant Islam and militant American foreign policy arise.

It is a paradox (and almost a cliche with regard to empires) that the fact of immense US military superiority (greater than the next 15 military powers combined), gives rise to its self-generated sense of extreme vulnerability, impending doom and destruction.

Similarly with Islam... Can anybody seriously imagine that persecution of a major religion will inevitably lead to its destruction or perversion?

The greater evidence regarding the downfall of empires and religions indicates that the seeds of their destruction come from within... From conditions such as imperial overreach and/or fatal sectarianism... And even then history is kinder than we imagine in that great empires and religions nearly always wane gradually over centuries or millennia rather than decades, after which they are often viewed from a historical perspective with a sense of nostalgia.

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Reply #191 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 2:09pm

I do not think that the US is an empire in the usual sense. It is certainly a dominant power, but it has no territorial claims on anyone. It doesn't have client states paying it tribute. It has client states for its militart bases, but it pays for them at market rates and within the terms of the contracts that are drawn up for these bases. And the contracts expire and the US withdraws and goes somewhere else.
As a superpower, as any country, it is naturally interested in not having powerful enemies. But that doesn't mean it wants 'friends' at all cost. You can be a successful country, largely indifferent towards the US, even mildly antagonistic, and the US will not be interesed in you. (Switzerland, Finland, Singapore, New Zealand, France).

I can't think of a similar superpower in history, one that was so instinctively isolationist, as the US.

Islam, on the other hand is explicitly expansionist, territorially as well as in every other way. Just like a traditional empire.

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Reply #192 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 2:49pm

Soren wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 2:09pm:

I do not think that the US is an empire in the usual sense. It is certainly a dominant power, but it has no territorial claims on anyone. It doesn't have client states paying it tribute. It has client states for its militart bases, but it pays for them at market rates and within the terms of the contracts that are drawn up for these bases. And the contracts expire and the US withdraws and goes somewhere else.
As a superpower, as any country, it is naturally interested in not having powerful enemies. But that doesn't mean it wants 'friends' at all cost. You can be a successful country, largely indifferent towards the US, even mildly antagonistic, and the US will not be interesed in you. (Switzerland, Finland, Singapore, New Zealand, France).

You think? That's not what I heard when the French played difficult in the Security Council on Iraq. Didn't Amerikan businesses rename their French Fries?

What about when Japan became the world's number-two economy in the 1990s and rivalled US manufacturing? George HW Bush was not exactly a friend to Japan - certainly not as close as he was to the Saudis.

How about China? The US have a few things to say about the pegged Yuan - things they can't say without a new military base in Darwin.

Still, the reason the US military doesn't obliterate any rivals is this: its friends have contracts. US power does not exist for its own sake. It exists to support its friends' needs.

Are you suggesting that the term "client state" refers to the lease on military bases?

I see you've been studying International Studies in Bradford, old chap.

Jolly good show.

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Reply #193 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 10:03pm

What? renaming French fries is now the same as conquering Gaul?

as The US has interests, like every other country. It pursues them. It has a dirty big trunchon and can whack anyone, if it is in its interest. It has also cornered the market in carrots, so to speak, and has a way of entcing countries to see their own interests met by being on the right side of the US.

That doesn't make it an empire.

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Reply #194 - Apr 11^th, 2012 at 1:55am

Soren wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 10:03pm:

as The US has interests, like every other country. It pursues them. It has a dirty big trunchon and can whack anyone, if it is in its interest. It has also cornered the market in carrots, so to speak, and has a way of entcing countries to see their own interests met by being on the right side of the US.

That doesn't make it an empire.

Sounds like one to everyone else:

Em-pire, n:
supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty. supreme control; absolute sway

1. a. A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.
b. The territory included in such a unit.
2. An extensive enterprise under a unified authority:

a publishing empire.

3. Imperial or imperialistic sovereignty, domination, or control:

"There is a growing sense that the course of empire is shifting toward the . . . Asians"

[i]Synonyms:[/i]
dominion, rule, supremacy.

Their eyes are on Australia as well as the oil rich countries and those considered a threat to Judaism. They want our mineral wealth desperately and want control of our economy.

Watch as they extend their tentacles into our banking, business and food chain, then shift it offshore, farm out the jobs to countries with cheap labour ... It's happening now and will continue if the stupid government doesn't get it's act together.

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