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Reply #255 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 2:18pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 11:14pm:
How many times must we give the teaching lesson to the Arabs before they learns they can not defeat the Jews?



One more time.
With the Arabs, it's always one more time.

In 48 they were defeated because they were led by traitorous British officers.
In '56 they were defeated because they were motivated by non-Islamic goals (nationalism)
In '67, because they were led by western puppets who were bribed to lose.
In '73, because ... er... some other dastardly conspiracy
In '82, Lebanon betrayed the PLO or something like that.


The glorious past of defeating the Crusaders (Israel is a Crusader outpost, don't you know) has to be repeated. If only the new Saladin hurried up and took charge of the glorious Arab future.

With the Arabs, the past and the future are forever glorious. It is the present that is always miserable and that's because of some conspiracy by anti-Islamic forces led by the Jews.

Everything great about the Arabs is due to Islam, everything miserable and backward is due to the Jews. It's simple.






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Reply #256 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 3:13pm
 
falah wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:29pm:
brumbie wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:12am:
IRAQI DEATHS DUE TO IRAQI INVASION OF KUWAIT:
1,455,590


Care to explain how that happened? Did it involve US-led sanctions? US-led bombings? US-led invasions?

It realy is quite simple my friend and if your old enough you'll remember.Iraq invaded Kuwait for the oil and then raped a few white women while they were at it.UK NOT USA had a long standing pact with Kuwait to protect and duly obliged.Usa came along for the ride after said rapes.

How much oil did the US puppets in Kuwait steal from Iraq? Through slant drilling, Iraq estimated $2.4 billion worth of oil stolen by the US puppets.



On July 25, 1990, the U.S. Ambassador in Iraq, April Glaspie, asked the Iraqi high command to explain the military preparations in progress, including the massing of Iraqi troops near the border.

The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, “inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion” on the disagreement between Kuwait and Iraq, stating "we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts."

She also let Saddam Hussein know that the U.S. did not intend "to start an economic war against Iraq". These statements caused Saddam to believe he had received a diplomatic green light from the United States to invade Kuwait.


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US Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, pretends US will not intervene in Iraq/Kuwait dispute


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Donald Rumsfeld meets Saddam Hussein.


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Published: September 23, 1990

On July 25, President Saddam Hussein of Iraq summoned the United States Ambassador to Baghdad, April Glaspie, to his office in the last high-level contact between the two Governments before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on Aug. 2. Here are excerpts from a document described by Iraqi Government officials as a transcript of the meeting, which also included the Iraqi Foreign Minister, Tariq Aziz. A copy was provided to The New York Times by ABC News, which translated it from the Arabic. The State Department has declined to comment on its accuracy...

(US Ambassador to Iraq) GLASPIE:

...I have lived here for years. I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait....Mr. President (Saddam), not only do I want to say that President Bush wanted better and deeper relations with Iraq, but he also wants an Iraqi contribution to peace and prosperity in the Middle East. President Bush is an intelligent man. He is not going to declare an economic war against Iraq.


http://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/23/world/confrontation-in-the-gulf-excerpts-from-iraqi-document-on-meeting-with-us-envoy.html?pagewanted=7&src=pm/


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AMBASSADOR WAS SUMMONED BY PRESIDENT SADDAM HUSAYN AT NOON JULY 25. ALSO PRESENT WERE FONMIN AZIZ, THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE DIRECTOR, TWO NOTETAKERS, AND THE IRAQI INTERPRETER.

¶4. SADDAM, WHOSE MANNER WAS CORDIAL,
REASONABLE AND EVEN WARM THROUGHOUT THE ENSUING TWO HOURS, SAID HE WISHED THE AMBASSADOR TO CONVEY A MESSAGE TO PRESIDENT BUSH. SADDAM THEN RECALLED IN DETAIL THE HISTORY OF IRAQ'S DECISION TO REESTABLISH DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS AND ITS POSTPONING IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT
DECISION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WAR, RATHER THAN BE THOUGHT WEAK AND NEEDY. HE THEN SPOKE ABOUT THE MANY "BLOWS" OUR RELATIONS HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO SINCE 1984, CHIEF AMONG THEM IRANGATE. IT WAS AFTER THE FAW VICTORY, SADDAM SAID, THAT IRAQI MISAPPREHENSIONS ABOUT USG PURPOSES BEGAN TO SURFACE AGAIN, I.E., SUSPICIONS THAT THE U.S. WAS NOT HAPPY TO SEE THE WAR END.

¶5. PICKING HIS WORDS WITH CARE, SADDAM SAID
THAT THERE ARE "SOME CIRCLES" IN THE USG,
INCLUDING IN CIA AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT,
BUT EMPHATICALLY EXCLUDING THE PRESIDENT AND
SECRETARY BAKER, WHO ARE NOT FRIENDLY TOWARD IRAQ-U.S. RELATIONS
. HE THEN LISTED WHAT HE SEEMED TO REGARD AS FACTS TO SUPPORT THIS CONCLUSION: "SOME CIRCLES ARE GATHERING INFORMATION ON WHO MIGHT BE SADDAM HUSAYN'S SUCCESSOR;" THEY KEPT UP CONTACTS IN THE GULF WARNING AGAINST IRAQ; THEY WORKED TO ENSURE NO HELP WOULD GO TO IRAQ ...

...AFTER A SHORT DIVERSION ON THE NEED FOR THE
U.S. TO CONSIDER THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF 200,000
ARABS WITH THE SAME VIGOR AND INTEREST AS THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE ISRAELIS, SADDAM CONCLUDED BY RESTATING THAT IRAQ WANTS AMERICAN FRIENDSHIP "ALTHOUGH WE WILL NOT PANT FOR IT, WE WILL DO OUR PART AS FRIENDS."...


¶21. THE AMBASSADOR THANKED SADDAM FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS DIRECTLY WITH HIM SOME OF HIS AND OUR CONCERNS. PRESIDENT BUSH, TOO, WANTS FRIENDSHIP, AS HE HAD WRITTEN AT THE 'EID AND ON THE OCCASION OF IRAQ'S NATIONAL DAY. SADDAM INTERRUPTED TO SAY HE HAD BEEN TOUCHED BY THOSE.

¶22. AMBASSADOR RESUMED HER THEME, RECALLING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD INSTRUCTED HER TO BROADEN AND DEEPEN OUR RELATIONS WITH IRAQ. SADDAM HAD REFERRED TO "SOME CIRCLES" ANTIPATHETIC TO THAT AIM. SUCH CIRCLES CERTAINLY EXISTED, BUT THE U.S. ADMINISTRATION IS INSTRUCTED BY THE PRESIDENT. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT CONTROL THE AMERICAN PRESS; IF HE DID, CRITICISM OF THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD NOT EXIST....

¶23. WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS
VERY RECENTLY REAFFIRMED HIS DESIRE FOR A BETTER
RELATIONSHIP AND HAS PROVEN THAT BY, FOR EXAMPLE,
OPPOSING SANCTIONS BILLS. HERE SADDAM INTERRUPTED AGAIN. LAUGHING, HE SAID THERE IS NOTHING LEFT FOR IRAQ TO BUY IN THE U.S. EVERYTHING IS PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR WHEAT, AND NO DOUBT THAT WILL SOON BE DECLARED A DUAL-USE ITEM- SADDAM SAID...

¶24. AMBASSADOR SAID THERE WERE MANY ISSUES HE HAD RAISED SHE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON, BUT SHE WISHED TO USE HER LIMITED TIME WITH THE PRESIDENT TO STRESS FIRST PRESIDENT BUSH'S DESIRE FOR FRIENDSHIP

¶25. SADDAM SAID THAT WAS INDEED A REASONABLE QUESTION. HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED FOR REGIONAL PEACE, IN FACT IT IS OUR DUTY AS A SUPERPOWER. "BUT HOW CAN WE MAKE THEM (KUWAIT AND UAE) UNDERSTAND HOW DEEPLY WE ARE SUFFERING." THE FINANCIAL SITUATION IS SUCH THAT THE PENSIONS FOR WIDOWS AND ORPHANS WILL HAVE
TO BE CUT. AT THIS POINT, THE INTERPRETER AND
ONE OF THE NOTETAKERS BROKE DOWN AND WEPT.

¶26. AFTER A PAUSE FOR RECUPERATION, SADDAM SAID, IN EFFECT, BELIEVE ME I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING: WE SENT ENVOYS, WROTE MESSAGES, ASKED FAHD TO ARRANGE QUADRAPARTITE SUMMIT (IRAQ, SAG, UE, KUWAIT). FAHD SUGGESTFD OIL MINISTERS INSTEAD AND WE AGREED TO THE JEDDAH AGREEMENT ALTHOUGH IT WAS WELL BELOW OUR HOPES. THEN, SADDAM CONTINUED, TWO DAYS LATER THE KUWAITI OIL MINISTER ANNOUNCED HE WOULD WANT TO ANNUL THAT AGREEMENT WITHIN TWO MONTHS. AS FOR THE UAE, SADDAM SAID, I BEGGED SHAYKH ZAYID TO UNDERSTAND OUR PROBLEMS (WHEN SADDAM ENTERTAINED HIM IN MOSUL AFTER THE BAGHDAD SUMMIT), AND ZAYID SAID JUST WAIT UNTIL I GET BACK TO ABU DHABI. BUT THEN HIS MINISTER OF OIL MADE "BAD STATEMENTS."

¶27. AT THIS POINT, SADDAM LEFT THE ROOM TO TAKE AN URGENT CALL FROM MUBARAK. AFTER HIS RETURN, THE AMBASSADOR ASKED IF HE COULD TELL HER IF THERE HAS ANY PROGRESS IN FINDING A PEACEFUL WAY TO DEFUSE THE DISPUTE. THIS WAS SOMETHING PRESIDENT BUSH WOULD BE KEENLY INTERESTED TO KNOW. SADDAM SAID THAT HE HAD JUST LEARNED FROM MUBARAK THE KUWAITIS HAVE AGREED TO NEGOTIATE. THE KUWAITI CROWN PRINCE/PRIME MINISTER WOULD MEET IN RIYADH WITH SADDAM'S NUMBER TWO, IZZAT IBRAHIM, AND THEN THE KUWAITI WOULD COME TO BAGHDAD ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY OR, AT THE LATEST, MONDAY, JULY 30.

¶28. "I TOLD MUBARAK," SADDAM SAID, THAT "NOTHING WILL HAPPEN UNTIL THE MEETING," AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN DURING OR AFTER THE MEETING IF THE KUWAITIS WILL AT LAST "GIVE US SOME HOPE."

¶29. THE AMBASSADOR SAID SHE WAS DELIGHTED TO HEAR THIS GOOD NEWS. SADDAM THEN ASKED HER TO CONVEY HIS WARM GREETINGS TO PRESIDENT BUSH AND TO CONVEY HIS MESSAGE TO HIM.

¶30...THE AMBASSADOR SAID THAT SHE HAD SERVED IN KUWAIT 20 YEARS BEFORE; THEN, AS NOW, WE TOOK NO POSITION ON THESE ARAB AFFAIRS.

¶31. COMMENT: ...--IRAQ, WHICH LOST 100,000'S OF CASUALTIES (in war with Iran), IS SUFFERING AND KUWAIT IS "MISERLY" AND "SELFISH."

http://www.wikileaks.ch/cable/1990/07/90BAGHDAD4237.html#


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Reply #257 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 3:19pm
 
It realy is quite simple my friend and if you are old enough you will remember it.Iraq invaded Kuwait for the oil and raped a few white women while they were at it.UK AND NOT USA had a long standing pact with Kuwait on protection.Usa simply went along for the ride after said rapes.But then thats not what realy happened is it.
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Reply #258 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 3:22pm
 
brumbie wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 3:19pm:
It realy is quite simple my friend and if you are old enough you will remember it.Iraq invaded Kuwait for the oil and raped a few white women while they were at it.UK AND NOT USA had a long standing pact with Kuwait on protection.Usa simply went along for the ride after said rapes.But then thats not what realy happened is it.

You do realise that the US supplied Iraq with the weapons they used and funded them in the region of billions of dollars
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Reply #259 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 3:30pm
 
Yes I do realise that PP,Iraq were haters of Iran...done deal....all politics eh!
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Reply #260 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 4:22pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 1:42pm:
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If Arabs want to insist that only ethic Arabs (and not Jewish ones) may own land in the area is that not also racist?



Where did I say that? There were plenty of Arab Jews that owned land and businesses back before al Naqba, for a start. Other nationalities managed to live side by side in peace.

It's not like the European Jewry offered fair prices and purchased Arab owned land - they evicted them and cleared them out - surely you can see the difference.

Is that not provocation?




The Security Council today failed to adopt a text that would have described as “illegal” Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory occupied since 1967 while reiterating demands that all settlement activity cease immediately.



Sponsored by nearly two thirds of the United Nations membership, the draft resolution was rejected following a vote of 14 in favour to 1 against (United States), resulting in a veto owing to the negative vote cast by a permanent Council member.



http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/sc10178.doc.htm


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Reply #261 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 6:39pm
 
What are your thoughts on the US position Avram?
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Reply #262 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 6:45pm
 
The US position is what i think.

The US position is like what most secular Israelis think.

The settlements are not illegal but we should not build lots more because it brings problems and is hard to cover for security too.

In my 3 years in army, the hardest role we did was to protect the settlers in West Bank. You are surrounded all sides by Palestinians.

USA says this but they have also say to us they will not allow UN Resolutions to be pass against Israel.
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Reply #263 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 6:48pm
 
So Israelis can settle anywhere in Palestine?

Do they have to pay the palestinians for the land?
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Reply #264 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 7:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 6:48pm:
So Israelis can settle anywhere in Palestine?

Do they have to pay the palestinians for the land?



No, they must settle within Government approved build location settlements.
No you pay for settlement like per normal.

Not to Palestinians, because the land is regarded as Israel.
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Reply #265 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 8:08pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2012 at 11:23am:
bugger Israel



He's a cretin, hear him roar.

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Reply #266 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 8:14pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 2:06pm:
Nope. They're scum.

Just like Israeli soldiers who drop bombs on houses and hospitals and families playing on the beach. Who let pregnant women birth dead babies on the side of the road at checkpoints.

And Israeli soldiers who refuse entry to Palestinian human beings on the grounds that they're like rats are scum too.



You do realise that none of this would ever happen in the Arabs left the Jews in peace.

Israel is a recognised member of the UN. It has defined international borders and an internationally recognised government. Why not just leave them alone, in peace??



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Reply #267 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:40pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 7:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 6:48pm:
So Israelis can settle anywhere in Palestine?

Do they have to pay the palestinians for the land?



No, they must settle within Government approved build location settlements.
No you pay for settlement like per normal.

Not to Palestinians, because the land is regarded as Israel.


I think you missed the point of the question Avram. I am not asking what is legal under Israeli law. I am asking you what is morally right.

Can you clarify which land you think Israel owns or has a right to settle Israelis on?
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Reply #268 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:47pm
 
why would we pay Palestinians if it is our land?
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Reply #269 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:51pm
 
What land are you referring to?
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