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Reply #90 - Mar 30^th, 2012 at 8:46pm

chimera wrote on Mar 30^th, 2012 at 7:49pm:

Yes I know. A person just telling a tale about hieroglyphs is not documenting the facts. Narration is not proof. A talk by itself is a fairy tale if it's not true. Otherwise "Humpty Dumpty" is documented each time a kid repeats it.

Well - get on google & check the statements if you're
so interested - you tell me.

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Reply #91 - Mar 30^th, 2012 at 8:59pm

Yes I posted one already. Here's another:
[Self-taught amateur Egyptologist Gerald Massey argued that the deity of Horus and Jesus shared identical mythological origins in his 1907 book Ancient Egypt, the light of the world. His views have been repeated by theologian and Toronto Star columnist Tom Harpur, author Acharya S, and political comedian Bill Maher. Theologian W. Ward Gasque composed an e-mail to twenty leading Egyptologists, including Professor Emeritus of Egyptology at the University of Liverpool Kenneth Kitchen, and Professor of Egyptology at the University of Toronto Ron Leprohan. The e-mail detailed the comparisons alleged by Massey which had been repeated by Harpur. The scholars were unanimous in dismissing any similarities suggested by Massey, and one Egyptologist criticized the comparison as "fringe nonsense."]_wikipedia. Jesus comparative mythology.

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Reply #92 - Mar 30^th, 2012 at 9:42pm

Chimera,
There's all sorts of writings on these topics e.g.
http://truthbeknown.com/osiris.htm

Sorry - it just doesn't appeal to me to be arguning about
something of no greater consequence than easter bunny
or the tooth fairy - I don't believe fairy tales -
you can clearly see that the Jesus myth is plagiarised
from older myths unless you're very stupid.

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Re: Do people who believes fairy tales have credibilit
Reply #93 - Mar 30^th, 2012 at 9:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30^th, 2012 at 9:42pm:

Chimera,
There's all sorts of writings on these topics e.g.
http://truthbeknown.com/osiris.htm

Sorry - it just doesn't appeal to me to be arguning about
something of no greater consequence than easter bunny
or the tooth fairy - I don't believe fairy tales -
you can clearly see that the Jesus myth is plagiarised
from older myths unless you're very stupid.

This should help him rid himself of his god delusion Wink

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11571 armidale Gender:	Re: Do people who believes fairy tales have credibilit Reply #94 - Mar 30^th, 2012 at 10:03pm bob the bat, It says nothing about all those similarities between Horus:Jesus , apart from the normal way all gods are thought of around the world. If Horus was not what he's made out to be, then the claim can't fit.
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Reply #95 - Mar 30^th, 2012 at 10:18pm

chimera wrote on Mar 30^th, 2012 at 10:03pm:

bob the bat,
It says nothing about all those similarities between Horus:Jesus , apart from the normal way all gods are thought of around the world. If Horus was not what he's made out to be, then the claim can't fit.

It says a lot about the title of the thread:

Does an adult who believes in fairy tales have credibility?

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Reply #96 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 6:23pm

chimera wrote on Mar 30^th, 2012 at 10:03pm:

bob the bat,
It says nothing about all those similarities between Horus:Jesus , apart from the normal way all gods are thought of around the world. If Horus was not what he's made out to be, then the claim can't fit.

This says everything about it Wink

Shows you how current day religious teachings have been plagerized from ancient Egyptian religious teachings Wink

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Do people who believes fairy tales have credibilit Reply #97 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 7:13pm Once you understand the message of Jesus it ceases to matter if he was a real historical figure, or not.
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Do people who believes fairy tales have credibilit Reply #98 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 7:14pm MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2012 at 7:13pm: Once you understand the message of Jesus it ceases to matter if he was a real historical figure, or not. That really doesnt justify anything.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11571 armidale Gender:	Re: Do people who believes fairy tales have credibilit Reply #99 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 7:34pm It was belief in Horus that gave purpose for the pyramids, temples and Valley of Kings. The heiroglyphs say it all and the craftsmanship is incredible.
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Reply #100 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 7:34pm

Truth doesnt become untruth by absence of proof. Fact isnt any less 'fact' without evidence. Evidence only confirms an already existing truth.

History is replete with examples of scientific truths being derided as myth and fairly tale only to be later confirmed by proof. But it didnt become truth when it was proven so. It was ALWAYS truth. It is one of the arrogances of man and one of his major weaknesses that if it cant be proven, it doesnt exist. Disproving something is pretty easy. Proving something is far, far harder - as any actual scientist will tell you.

Faith on the other hand can take you places science cant and never will. And that is something very few ever really understand. They dont understand how a Nobel Laureate can profess faith in a God he cannot prove or why a cosmologist sees the Hand of God in everything the universe displays. They do not understand why a great mind believes in a God they do not comprehend. And so the universe is reduced to their meagre experience and in itself, becomes a doctrine - a religion based on the ego and nothing more.

In the end, it is the fool who says there is no God, because while He is impossible to prove (the hard task), He is also impossible to DISPROVE (the easy task).

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Reply #102 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 7:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2012 at 7:34pm:

Truth doesnt become untruth by absence of proof. Fact isnt any less 'fact' without evidence. Evidence only confirms an already existing truth.

History is replete with examples of scientific truths being derided as myth and fairly tale only to be later confirmed by proof. But it didnt become truth when it was proven so. It was ALWAYS truth. It is one of the arrogances of man and one of his major weaknesses that if it cant be proven, it doesnt exist. Disproving something is pretty easy. Proving something is far, far harder - as any actual scientist will tell you.

Faith on the other hand can take you places science cant and never will. And that is something very few ever really understand. They dont understand how a Nobel Laureate can profess faith in a God he cannot prove or why a cosmologist sees the Hand of God in everything the universe displays. They do not understand why a great mind believes in a God they do not comprehend. And so the universe is reduced to their meagre experience and in itself, becomes a doctrine - a religion based on the ego and nothing more.

In the end, it is the fool who says there is no God, because while He is impossible to prove (the hard task), He is also impossible to DISPROVE (the easy task).

Without evidence it is just conjecture and NOT truth.

And you need to disprove the existence of all of these 2500 gods that you don't believe in Wink

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=285

Hard isn't it Cheesy

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30089 Gender:	Re: Do people who believes fairy tales have credibilit Reply #103 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 7:46pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 31^st, 2012 at 7:39pm: Peoples should have respect for someone and their religious belief. Not when they kill each other over it which is quite often throughout human history
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Reply #104 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 7:48pm

What about Deut 13:13

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13Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

Easier version to understand:

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Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

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