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Reply #150 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 3:22pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 2:36pm:
glee wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 2:19pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 1:43pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 1:11pm:
i can not believe that some peoples who lives in other side to the world has come and say that comparison of Nazi Concentration killing camps is same as Gaza territory blockade of dangerous equipments.


I am so incredibly in my shock!


Don't be shocked Avram.
Some left wing people believe what they wish to believe, and do not require the added burden of any proof whatsoever to justify their opinions.
And one doesn't have to be 22 thousand kilometers away.
The Orthodox Jewish faith in Israel, I understand is full of such people who also believe their should not be an Israel.
What you need to remember is these types of people both here and there are very much in the minority.
And the vast majority of people in the West are aware of the sacrifice Israel makes every single day of every week in every year in continuing to be the sole democracy in the Middle East.
Because what stands between muslim extremism in Gaza/West Bank, and those soft European cities is Israel, protecting through it's strength those very same European cities by stamping down hard on each and every single terrorist act inflicted on Israeli's by extremist muslim aggression.
And that is something worth remembering.



And that is all you have got isn't it.....nice little catch phrases like "muslim extremists and muslim agression".  I am starting to understand that in your small mind Israel has the right to pummel anyone who resents their existence, and all because of your unfounded fears.

I don't care who "had mandated control" over the territories when the Israeli's rocked up with their tanks and their UN, US backing.  The fact is that generations of people lived, worked, studied and had families and homes.  They had a life. I doubt that they cared for the politics of the west at that time.  They just lived each day much like we do.  But all that changed didn't it.  And you just expect them to roll over and let their previous life go.

If the Japs had been successful in invading Aus as an "act of war" you, no doubt, would be the kind of coward that would feverishly learn Japanese while the rest of us would be members of the underground resistance!


Firing 12,000 missiles and mortar rounds into Israeli towns is not just resenting there existence eh.
Kidnapping Israeli citizens is not resenting there existence.
Launching anti tank missiles into canary yellow schoolbuses is not resenting there existence.
Blowing up packed seaside cafeterias was not resenting there existence.
These are acts of war.
And 70% of the children, both jewish and muslim who live in Sderot today have PTSD, this is not an unfounded fear, this is fact.
You have totally underscored the actions of terrorists who's main objective in life is to kill and maim jews.
Well done.
And you forget that 1.5 million Muslims live peacefully within Israeli borders living and working there today.
And you and others might hanker for the old days, but guess what.
There gone, and they are not returning.
And most of the population in 2012 werent around or were not old enough to remember those days.
Why aren't you carrying on about Pakistan or all those other countries established by the UN in the 40's, 50's and 60's.
I'll tell you why.
Theirs no jews there.
Well done.
Congratulations.
Another useful idiot for Palestine.
As for doing nothing for the defence of this country, I served 20 years and have the medals to prove it.
On your bike slapnut.

Bully for you!!  If you think that gives you some higher authority then you are the slapnut.

Israel does not need another apologist like you - there are enough idiots out there already turning a blind eye to the inequality occurring in the Middle East.

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Re: Israel finally declared terrorist state
Reply #151 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 3:24pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 3:14pm:
On August 19, 2003, a Hamas suicide bomber sent out by Hamas' Hebron cell disguised himself as a Haredi Jew and detonated himself on a No. 2 Egged bus traveling through Jerusalem's Shmuel HaNavi neighborhood.

The double-length bus was crowded with Orthodox Jewish children returning from a visit to the Western Wall. The huge explosion killed 7 children and 16 adults, and injured more than 130 people. The bomb was spiked with ball-bearings designed to increase injuries on the crowded bus. Hamas said the bomber was a 29-year-old mosque preacher from the city of Hebron.

Because so many of the dead were young children, the media dubbed it the "children's bus."

Fatalities

Avraham Bar-Or, 12, of Jerusalem.
Binyamin Bergman, 15, of Jerusalem.
Yaakov Binder, 50, of Jerusalem.
Feiga Dushinski, 50, of Jerusalem.
Miriam Eisenstein, 20, of Bnei Brak.
Lilach Kardi, 22 (eight months pregnant), of Jerusalem.
Menachem Leibel, 24, of Jerusalem.
Elisheva Meshulami, 16, of Bnei Brak.
Tehilla Nathanson, 3, of Zikhron Ya'akov.
Chava Nechama Rechnitzer, 19, of Bnei Brak.
Mordechai Reinitz, 49, of Netanya.
Issachar Reinitz, 9, of Netanya.
Maria Antonia Reslas, 39, of the Philippines.
Liba Schwartz, 54, of Jerusalem.
Hanoch Segal, 65, of Bnei Brak.
Goldie Taubenfeld, 43, of New Square, New York.
Shmuel Taubenfeld, 3 months, of New Square, New York.
Rabbi Eliezer Weisfish, 42, of Jerusalem.
Shmuel Wilner, 50, of Jerusalem.
Shmuel Zargari, 11 months, of Jerusalem.
Fruma Rahel Weitz, 73, of Jerusalem – died of her wounds on August 23.
Mordechai Laufer, 27, of Netanya – died of his wounds on September 5.
Tova Lev, 37, of Bnei-Brak – died of her wounds on September 12.


Now post a list of all the innocent children your people have killed.
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Reply #152 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 3:28pm
 
glee wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 3:24pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 3:14pm:
On August 19, 2003, a Hamas suicide bomber sent out by Hamas' Hebron cell disguised himself as a Haredi Jew and detonated himself on a No. 2 Egged bus traveling through Jerusalem's Shmuel HaNavi neighborhood.

The double-length bus was crowded with Orthodox Jewish children returning from a visit to the Western Wall. The huge explosion killed 7 children and 16 adults, and injured more than 130 people. The bomb was spiked with ball-bearings designed to increase injuries on the crowded bus. Hamas said the bomber was a 29-year-old mosque preacher from the city of Hebron.

Because so many of the dead were young children, the media dubbed it the "children's bus."

Fatalities

Avraham Bar-Or, 12, of Jerusalem.
Binyamin Bergman, 15, of Jerusalem.
Yaakov Binder, 50, of Jerusalem.
Feiga Dushinski, 50, of Jerusalem.
Miriam Eisenstein, 20, of Bnei Brak.
Lilach Kardi, 22 (eight months pregnant), of Jerusalem.
Menachem Leibel, 24, of Jerusalem.
Elisheva Meshulami, 16, of Bnei Brak.
Tehilla Nathanson, 3, of Zikhron Ya'akov.
Chava Nechama Rechnitzer, 19, of Bnei Brak.
Mordechai Reinitz, 49, of Netanya.
Issachar Reinitz, 9, of Netanya.
Maria Antonia Reslas, 39, of the Philippines.
Liba Schwartz, 54, of Jerusalem.
Hanoch Segal, 65, of Bnei Brak.
Goldie Taubenfeld, 43, of New Square, New York.
Shmuel Taubenfeld, 3 months, of New Square, New York.
Rabbi Eliezer Weisfish, 42, of Jerusalem.
Shmuel Wilner, 50, of Jerusalem.
Shmuel Zargari, 11 months, of Jerusalem.
Fruma Rahel Weitz, 73, of Jerusalem – died of her wounds on August 23.
Mordechai Laufer, 27, of Netanya – died of his wounds on September 5.
Tova Lev, 37, of Bnei-Brak – died of her wounds on September 12.


Now post a list of all the innocent children your people have killed.


You know the differences??

I remembers on my first day of national services we has a class on rules of engagement for IDF.

One of big points of rule of engagement is only to return of the fire when is can be pinpoint source of the fire to you.
2. If you can see the under 18 and civilians not involve, use most caution to avoid engagement of civilians.

3. If fire is come from sources away with civilians involved,, radio point to Tel Aviv on further instruction most like to have withdrawal and call on air force strike support.

You see?
You see what we does? We does try to AVOID civilians and child casualty -- now look at the Palestinians and Hamas - they deliberate kills young children on purposes.

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Reply #153 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 3:34pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 3:28pm:
glee wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 3:24pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 3:14pm:
On August 19, 2003, a Hamas suicide bomber sent out by Hamas' Hebron cell disguised himself as a Haredi Jew and detonated himself on a No. 2 Egged bus traveling through Jerusalem's Shmuel HaNavi neighborhood.

The double-length bus was crowded with Orthodox Jewish children returning from a visit to the Western Wall. The huge explosion killed 7 children and 16 adults, and injured more than 130 people. The bomb was spiked with ball-bearings designed to increase injuries on the crowded bus. Hamas said the bomber was a 29-year-old mosque preacher from the city of Hebron.

Because so many of the dead were young children, the media dubbed it the "children's bus."

Fatalities

Avraham Bar-Or, 12, of Jerusalem.
Binyamin Bergman, 15, of Jerusalem.
Yaakov Binder, 50, of Jerusalem.
Feiga Dushinski, 50, of Jerusalem.
Miriam Eisenstein, 20, of Bnei Brak.
Lilach Kardi, 22 (eight months pregnant), of Jerusalem.
Menachem Leibel, 24, of Jerusalem.
Elisheva Meshulami, 16, of Bnei Brak.
Tehilla Nathanson, 3, of Zikhron Ya'akov.
Chava Nechama Rechnitzer, 19, of Bnei Brak.
Mordechai Reinitz, 49, of Netanya.
Issachar Reinitz, 9, of Netanya.
Maria Antonia Reslas, 39, of the Philippines.
Liba Schwartz, 54, of Jerusalem.
Hanoch Segal, 65, of Bnei Brak.
Goldie Taubenfeld, 43, of New Square, New York.
Shmuel Taubenfeld, 3 months, of New Square, New York.
Rabbi Eliezer Weisfish, 42, of Jerusalem.
Shmuel Wilner, 50, of Jerusalem.
Shmuel Zargari, 11 months, of Jerusalem.
Fruma Rahel Weitz, 73, of Jerusalem – died of her wounds on August 23.
Mordechai Laufer, 27, of Netanya – died of his wounds on September 5.
Tova Lev, 37, of Bnei-Brak – died of her wounds on September 12.


Now post a list of all the innocent children your people have killed.


You know the differences??

I remembers on my first day of national services we has a class on rules of engagement for IDF.

One of big points of rule of engagement is only to return of the fire when is can be pinpoint source of the fire to you.
2. If you can see the under 18 and civilians not involve, use most caution to avoid engagement of civilians.

3. If fire is come from sources away with civilians involved,, radio point to Tel Aviv on further instruction most like to have withdrawal and call on air force strike support.

You see?
You see what we does? We does try to AVOID civilians and child casualty -- now look at the Palestinians and Hamas - they deliberate kills young children on purposes.


So now we all know what a load of crap that "training" is - post a list of all the innocent children your countrymen have killed! Or are you just too gutless to face the truth?

Better still - let all who want to leave Gaza and the Left Bank leave, without harm or restriction. Arm the Palestinians with the same level of weapons your country has and make a fair fight of it at least.

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Reply #154 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 4:37pm
 
Hi Chicken,
Can you find me a picture of a fat person in Gaza?

I wish someone who lived in Gaza would post on this forum.

Does anyone have the internet there?
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Reply #155 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 4:39pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 4:37pm:
Hi Chicken,
Can you find me a picture of a fat person in Gaza?

I wish someone who lived in Gaza would post on this forum.

Does anyone have the internet there?
Well I could make an alias like someone has for avram, but I am not that much of a coward
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Reply #156 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 5:01pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 4:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 4:37pm:
Hi Chicken,
Can you find me a picture of a fat person in Gaza?

I wish someone who lived in Gaza would post on this forum.

Does anyone have the internet there?
Well I could make an alias like someone has for avram, but I am not that much of a coward



israelis are not cowads -- we has all for generations showed this.

Me, my dad, my uncles, my brothers -- all serve in conflicts to protect Israel.

Who is the coward? Arabs? Not fight, run away and then they blows us children on school bus.

Tell me who is the cowards.
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Reply #157 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 5:08pm
 
http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/khazars.htm

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Disclaimer: Cornersone Minisries has no affiliation with this site and this is presented for information purposes only!

THE KHAZARS

INTRODUCTION

Some believe the theory that modern day "Jews" are not in fact physically descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but are instead descended from the KHAZARS, supposedly a Turkish, non-semitic race. Those who hold this view include

IDENTITY (British Israelism): those who believe ANGLO-SAXONS to be the 10 LOST TRIBES of Israel.

WHITE SUPREMACISTS

NEO-NAZIS

For more information on these hate groups see the following:

Paranoia as Patriotism: Aryan Nations
Christian Identity: A Religion for White Racists and Jew Bashers
Willie Martin and Christian Identity on Trial Neo-Nazi Cult
Background on Arthur Koestler
Protocols of Zion Fraud
Randy Weaver gets the Boot in Vegas
Randy Weaver Visits Tri-Cities, Gets It Wrong Again
Since these groups form a fringe that is not edifying to orthodox Bible base Christianity it seemed good to address them and their erroneous beliefs.

ABOUT THE KAZARS

It is proposed that around the 8th century (A.D.) the (non-Jewish) KHAZARS converted to Judaism en masse, and later spread out to become the "Jewish" populations of eastern Europe. Therefore those who call themselves "JEWS" today (they say) are not really Jews at all. We would like to point out the historical data on the subject, and show the weaknesses in this theory.

THE SIGNIFICANCE of this is their following "arguments:

The "JEWS" today are NOT really Jews, and therefore not recipients of GOD's promises to Israel

The real Jews are the CAUCASIAN people, the true (so they say) descendants of Israel, and therefore the promises and prophecies apply to WHITE AMERICANS

The 1948 re-establishment of the NATION OF ISRAEL is NOT a fulfillment of prophecy.

NOTE: Let us point out that we am using the word "JEW" as it is commonly understood today: a reference to all physical descendants of Jacob (Israel) from any of the 12 tribes. We are well aware (as the white supremacists constantly point out) that the word etymologically comes from "JUDAH," which is only one of the 12 tribes, but word usage often changes over time and so we use the term as most English-speaking people today understand it: any Israelite from any of the 12 tribes.

KHAZARS: A RESPONSE TO THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE by Arthur Koestler

Here are some sources that allude to the above theory, pro and con:

ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA: "A few scholars have even asserted that the Judaized Khazars were the remote ancestors of many of the Jews of eastern Europe and Russia."

JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA (1906): "Many (Khazars) intermingled in the Crimea with the local Jews; the Krimtschaki are probably their descendants-perhaps some of the Subotniki also.... Some went to Hungary, but the great mass of the people remained in their native country. Many members of the Khazarian royal family emigrated to Spain."

UNIVERSAL JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA (1945): "Descendants of the Khazar Jews are believed to have migrated to Kiev and other parts of Russia."

ENCYCLOPEDIA JUDAICA (1973): "Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East or have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from within the former Khazar Empire. The Turkish-speaking Karaites [Jews] of the Crimea, Poland, and elsewhere have affirmed a connection with the Khazars, which is perhaps confirmed by evidence from folklore and anthropology as well as language. There seems to be a considerable amount of evidence attesting to the continued presence in Europe of descendants of the Khazars."

D.M. DUNLOP, HISTORY OF THE JEWISH KHAZARS (Princeton Univ. Press, 1954): "It only remains now to consider the theory that the modern Jews of eastern Europe, or more particularly those in Poland, are the descendants of the medieval Khazars. This can be dealt with very shortly, because there is LITTLE EVIDENCE which bears directly upon it, and it unavoidably retains the character of a mere assumption. ... To speak of the Jews of eastern Europe as descendants of the Khazars...would be to GO MUCH BEYOND WHAT OUR IMPERFECT RECORDS ALLOW." (pp. 261,263. Emphasis has been added to quotations. Dunlop is a source book for Koestler. Koestler believes the theory that east European Jews are descendants of the Khazars.)
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Reply #158 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 5:08pm
 
WHO WERE THE KHAZARS?

The Khazar Empire was located between the Caspian and Black Seas in what is now southern Russia. The empire flourished from about the 6th to the 10th centuries. They are mentioned in Arab, Jewish, Greek and Byzantine literature from mid-6th to mid-13th centuries. Where they came from is uncertain. Where they ended up after their fall is unknown for sure. The 2 Khazar contributions to history are:

they stopped the advance of the Muslims about the same time Charles Martel defeated the Muslims at the battle of Tours (732). If not for the Khazars the Muslims might have taken over Europe, and we might all be Mohammedans today;

THE CONVERSION TO JUDAISM of the Khazar king and his court about 740 A.D.(?).

THE SOURCES OF INFORMATION

The Khazars are mentioned in several sources, dating from the 6th to the 13th centuries.

There are about half a dozen or more BYZANTINE sources,

10 or so JEWISH sources,

about 2 dozen ARAB sources,

plus some RUSSIAN sources. These often disagree with each other on dates and details. For centuries only the Jews kept alive the memory of the Khazars, with the rest of the world skeptical, until the late 19th century when other (Arab) sources came to light, and the 'scholarly' world finally admitted the existence of the Khazars and their historical importance. The Jews had based their information on documents called "THE KHAZAR CORRESPONDENCE," letters between Hasdai, a Jewish foreign minister in Spain, and Joseph, king of the Khazars, written about 960.

WHERE DID THE KHAZARS COME FROM?

The generally accepted theory is that they are of Turkish origin, But.some have believed that they were ISRAELITES: the "10 lost tribes"!:

Hasdai, who wrote the Khazar Correspondence, believed they were

Isaac ‘Akrish, who first published the Khazar Correspondence, believed the same

Karaite Jews of Crimea (once part of Khazaria) and Poland "claim a connection" with Khazars.....Karaite Jews claim to be directly descended from New Testament Saducees, Jews who reject the Talmud (some Russian governments would exempt Karaites from Jewish persecution, considering them to be the "10 lost tribes," and therefore not responsible for Jesus' death)

Ibn Fadlan, an Arab writer, refers to the Khazar king as "a Jew"

Maquadasisi, another Arab, says, "in Khazaria...Jews exist in large quantity"

Inb Hawkal, Arab, says only a Jew could be a Khazar king

Masudi, another Arab says the same

In Russian folklore Khazaria is referred to as the 'country of the Jews'

WERE THE KHAZARS ORIGINALLY JEWS??

Here are more extensive quotes documenting the above:

"The Turkish-speaking Karaites of the Crimea, Poland and elsewhere have affirmed a connection with the Khazars, which is perhaps confirmed by evidence from folklore and anthropology as well as language." (Encyclopedia Judaica, quoted by Koestler, p. 16) "Legends connect them with Abraham" (ibid., p. 22).

KHAZARS are referred to as "JEWS" (without distinguishing them as proselytes) by:

IBN FADLAN (Arab writer, quoting king of Bulgars),

IBN HAWKAL (ca. 977: "they give the Khacanship only to JEWS'),

HASDAI (who wrote the "KHAZAR CORRESPONDENCE") thought the Khazars to be the 10 lost tribes,

ELDAD HA-DANI, Jewish traveller, says Khazaria is 3 of the lost tribes,

the RUSSIAN CHRONICLE refers to Khazaria as "the country of the Jews,"

WESTERN JEWS in the Middle Ages called Khazars 'red Jews,'

‘the Biblically minded SLAVONIC EPICS speak of "Jews" rather than Khazars (all above from Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe).

ISAAC 'AKRISH, 1577, publisher of "THE KHAZAR CORRESPONDENCE," thought they were Jews (Jewish Encyclopedia).

"According to another version (of the conversion), discovered by Solomon Schechter, the Jews who had sought refuge from persecution in the land of the Khazars had intermarried extensively with the indigenous peoples. The latter in those days always acclaimed the bravest of their generals as king. It happened that A JEW once distinguished himself in battle and was raised to the throne; prompted by the urgings of his wife and father-in-law, he prepared to make public his adherence to the Jewish faith" (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia).

"The khacanate is not conferred on any but a Jew" according to Arab AL-ISTAKHRI. "The Khazars were generally known to their neighbors as Jews" (Encyclopedia Judaica).

"Their king is a Jew" says Arab ISTAKHRI (932), likewise IBN-RUSTAH: "Their supreme ruler is a Jew."

According to FIRKOVITCH's theory: the "Karaites had left Palestine before the time of Christ and were in the Crimea earlier than the arrival of the Khazars."

The CAMBRIDGE DOCUMENT represents the Khazar kings as JEWISH FROM THE FIRST, not as becoming Jews.

Citing ELDAD HA-DANI: "The tribe of SIMEON is in the land of the Khazars" (all from Dunlop, History Of The Jewish Khazars).

EVEN IF THE KHAZARS ARE FROM NON-SEMITIC STOCK, the land of the Khazars all along had PHYSICAL JEWS living there. As Jews were scattered all over the world, many came to Khazaria to escape persecution, since the Khazars practiced religious toleration.

KHAZARIA HAD JEWISH IMMIGRANTS AMONGST ITS POPULATION

Khazars "had been well acquainted with Jews and their religious observances for at least a century before the conversion, through THE CONTINUED INFLUX OF REFUGEES from religious persecution in Byzantium."

"’The king of the Khazars had already become a Jew...and he was joined by JEWS FROM ALL OVER THE LANDS OF ISLAM AND FROM THE COUNTRY OF THE GREEKS.... MANY JEWS TOOK FLIGHT FROM THE COUNTRY OF THE GREEKS TO KHAZARIA.'"

"The only mercy shown by history to those who TOOK TO FLIGHT, or were driven to it, was the existence of Khazaria."

"The Byzantine Emperor forced the Jews to emigrate; these EMIGRANTS CAME TO THE KHAZAR COUNTRY."

"Jewish influence at the Khazar court must already have been strong BEFORE THE FORMAL CONVERSION."

"Saadiah Gaon (882-942)...mentions a Mesopotamian Jew who went to Khazaria to settle there, as if this were an everyday occurrence." (Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe, pp. 59,60,61,63,64,80).
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Reply #159 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 5:08pm
 
IT IS GENERALLY ACCEPTED that the "CONVERSION" to Judaism (ca. 740) only included the king and his court, NOT THE WHOLE COUNTRY. There are in fact 2 versions of the "conversion," one saying that the king had been a Jew all along and only decided to finally make it public. KHAZARIA also included many MUSLIMS and CHRISTIANS and PAGANS. If the Jewish settlements of Poland and Russia were made of Khazars, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY THESE JEWS FROM KHAZARIA. If not, what happened to all those PHYSICAL JEWS who had settled there?

THE "CONVERSION" TO JUDAISM INVOLVED A FEW OFFICIALS, NOT THE GENERAL POPULATION

"Probably AD 740, the KING, HIS COURT, AND THE MILITARY RULING CLASS EMBRACED THE JEWISH FAITH."

"In this city (Khazaran-Itil) are Muslims, Christians, Jews and pagans. The Jews are the king, his attendants and the Khazars of his kind. (footnote: 'i.e., presumably THE RULING TRIBE of ‘White Khazars’).'" (Koestler, pp. 15,60)

"According to Ibn Fadlan, Ibn Dastah, and others, ONLY THE KING AND THE GRANDEES WERE FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM. The rest of the Khazars were Christians, Mohammedans, and heathens; and THE JEWS WERE IN A GREAT MINORITY." (Jewish Encyclopedia)

"KHAZARS, a medieval people...WHOSE RULING CLASS adopted Judaism during the 8th century...."

"The Jews were greatly outnumbered by the pagan masses, by Moslem and Christian inhabitants of the cities." (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia)

"THE LEADING KHAZARS professed Judaism."

"The conversion of the LEADING KHAZARS to Judaism perhaps took place toward 740 C.E." (Jewish Encyclopedia)

"The most striking characteristic of the Khazars was the apparent adoption of Judaism BY THE KHAGAN AND THE GREATER PART OF THE RULING CLASS in about 740." (Encyclopedia Britannica)

"In the town (Atil, the capital of Khazaria) are people of the Muslims, more than 10,000, it is said. They have about thirty mosques. ... Their king is a Jew.... The Khazars’ smallest group is the Jews...though THE KING AND HIS COURT ARE JEWS."

"Their supreme ruler is a Jew.... The rest of them have a religion like the religion of the Turks." (Dunlop, The History Of The Khazars, quoting Arab sources)

EVEN THOUGH THESE PHYSICAL JEWS MUST HAVE INTERMARRIED with Gentiles, that does not invalidate their Jewishness, any more than all the intermarriage that was practiced in the OLD TESTAMENT: Joseph, Abraham, Judah, Moses, Solomon and many others married Gentile wives. IN THE MESSIANIC LINE you find Rahab and Ruth and Tamar (Gentiles)... see also Deuteronomy 21:11-12.

THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO: the Jewish centers of Poland, Russia, Eastern Europe (and hence, America) were begun by JEWS from Khazaria.

We agree with Dunlop’s view: that there is LITTLE EVIDENCE to support the theory that modern Jews are in fact non-Jewish descendants of Khazar converts to Judaism, in light of the considerations as we have just documented:

there are many witnesses that testify that the Khazars were originally ISRAELITES

even if they were not, Khazaria had a significant JEWISH POPULATION of immigrants within its borders

many voices indicate that the only "conversion" to Judaism involved a few government officials, NOT the general population

there is a second account of the "conversion" that states that the king was ALREADY a Jew and merely made it public.

The data that we have overwhelmingly speaks loud and long that Koestler's theory is groundless and can be treated as nothing more than a curiosity with little or no foundation.

The identity of the 10 LOST TRIBES of Israel has been a subject of much heated debate. Many theories have been proposed:

Herbert W. Armstrong (and others) have claimed the ANGLO-SAXONS are the lost tribes

The Mormons (and many early Americans such as Cotton Mather) propose that the AMERICAN INDIANS are the lost tribes

Some black groups claim AFRICANS are the lost tribes

As we have seen, many have thought that the KHAZARS comprise the lost tribes of Israel

While it is an interesting subject there really seems to be no clear reason to think that the 10 lost tribes were ever really lost.

The 12 tribes are mentioned in the New Testament (James 1:1), and Anna the prophetess in Luke 2 is identified as being from the tribe of ASHER (supposedly lost).

The total number of JEWS from JUDAH taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar is 4,600 (Jeremiah 52:31), yet 70 years later over 42,000 returned (Ezra 2:64), so returnees must have included people from EVERY tribe.

Ask a Jew today what tribe he is from and he will tell you he does not know (except COHENS, which are sons of Aaron). Why wouldn't they know if they were all from Judah?

It is certain that the distinctions between the tribes has been lost through 2000 years of intermarrying, but there is no solid reason to think that the 10 tribes all became the Anglo-Saxon people. Read any encyclopedia article on ANGLO-SAXONS to see that their history is separate from Israel's.

Also see Judaism is not a race.
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ABOUT THE KAZARS

It is proposed that around the 8th century (A.D.) the (non-Jewish) KHAZARS converted to Judaism en masse, and later spread out to become the "Jewish" populations of eastern Europe. Therefore those who call themselves "JEWS" today (they say) are not really Jews at all. We would like to point out the historical data on the subject, and show the weaknesses in this theory.

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there is much evidence that this is the case

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Reply #161 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 5:12pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 4:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 4:37pm:
Hi Chicken,
Can you find me a picture of a fat person in Gaza?

I wish someone who lived in Gaza would post on this forum.

Does anyone have the internet there?
Well I could make an alias like someone has for avram, but I am not that much of a coward



I think Avram is either a genuine soldier or an agent of Mossad.
Good on him for risking his life for his country.
I would do the same in his position.
I have to be honest & say that if I lived in Israel I would fight
on his side not with the Pallys.
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Reply #162 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 5:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 5:12pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 4:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 4:37pm:
Hi Chicken,
Can you find me a picture of a fat person in Gaza?

I wish someone who lived in Gaza would post on this forum.

Does anyone have the internet there?
Well I could make an alias like someone has for avram, but I am not that much of a coward



I think Avram is either a genuine soldier or an agent of Mossad.
Good on him for risking his life for his country.
I would do the same in his position.
I have to be honest & say that if I lived in Israel I would fight
on his side not with the Pallys.

Maybe so,
Still find it a bit hard to believe someone like him would be interested in this site, or have even found it in the first place.
And you have to admit it was a bit convenient for and IDF soldier to turn up.

I’m sure you would
I would find a little happiness in blowing up some Jewish bankers that’s for sure and the real policy pushers in Israel. Cause let’s face it the majority of Israelis and Palestinians don’t actually support all this death and destruction.
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Reply #163 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 5:34pm
 
I am ordinary Israeli thank you.

I am not soldier.

I am 100% peace supporter and has vote for Barak not Netanyahu.

I am interest in politics global -- not so aussie because I am here only 1 year study -- I also am member in usa, uk and israel too.

All israeli support peace but no never is to be give in to terror understand this.

And do not say anymore I am soldier, I am not soldier.
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Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 5:34pm:
I am ordinary Israeli thank you.

I am not soldier.

I am 100% peace supporter and has vote for Barak not Netanyahu.

I am interest in politics global -- not so aussie because I am here only 1 year study -- I also am member in usa, uk and israel too.

All israeli support peace but no never is to be give in to terror understand this.

And do not say anymore I am soldier, I am not soldier.
Why do you keep associating Obama with peace?
Werent you the one critisizing me of only listening to what the TV tells me?
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