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Reply #45 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:08pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:03pm:

You might not, but that is the way you are seen by the Palestinians.

Maybe they can think who gives them Gaza and areas of Samaria and Judea land for their territory control.
Yes there is settlements and we needs checkpoints.

And yes I too agree and has see my own eyes that behavior of some settlers is not good all times, please know we when I was iDF has give them warning to stop fire weapons to Palestinians.

This I know can sometimes be problem for Palestinians.

If they wishes peace they MUST accept the terms we give. We are fair people.

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Reply #46 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:16pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

“The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”

- Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949

And by international law.

Do you remember who start the wars from why we has this land??

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Israel finally declared terrorist state Reply #47 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:57pm Are we going back to 1948 or 1967?
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Reply #49 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:14pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

Are we going back to 1948 or 1967?

The land was taken by Israel in self defense in 1967 in war fight by my father and uncles.

This is how we has come to this land with the Palestinians. Aggression to Israel.

Avram

I always laugh when idiots say you should go back to your 1967 border.

Does that mean they want you to give Gaza back to Egypt?

Does that mean they want you to give the west bank back to Jordan?

Do they want you to give the land back to who you took it from or someone else?

Israel and Pakistan were created in similar circumstances yet the jew haters will never say Pakistan has no right to exist they only whinge about the jews.

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Re: Israel finally declared terrorist state
Reply #50 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:18pm

Here are my difficulties with that statement.

“I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.” Yitzhak Rabin, Israel’s Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68

In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.’“ Menahem Begin

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Reply #51 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:25pm

Yes. I sometimes find.
I am ok though -- I come to Australia for 2012 study and I speak with lots of aussies.

Is interesting to me. Some have say "you should not be in West Bank" but then when I explain that 1967 Arab countrys attack Israel -- then they lose the land from their attack but then has cry to UN that land should be give back,,

You know also some say to me here in australia "UN has resolutions to Israel".

I say "we do not care about UN." And they do not like but is true, we Israeli ignores the UN and talk to allys for prefer.

And too they tell me of the Gaza Operation. You know I was IDF in Operation Cast Lead, I see my own eyes what is happen. People here they read story or they watch a camera. I was there, I was in Gaza and I have be shoot at, I have shoot back I had called for IAF air strike support from Tel Aviv command. I has seen Palestinians call to us and point to us where is Hamas and Islamic Jihad hide in the buildings.
But some aussie tell me all Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas!? I know, I know my own eyes this is not true!!!
But they do not listen and instead they want think me and my comrades is child killer and so on I think.

It is frustrate because how can people say from this far place in the world?

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Re: Israel finally declared terrorist state
Reply #52 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 9:07pm

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Moshe Dayan posthumously speaks out on the Golan Heights

“Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland...[Dayan stated] ‘They didn’t even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn’t possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn’t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.

And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that’s how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.’” The New York Times, May 11, 1997

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Re: Israel finally declared terrorist state
Reply #53 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 7:13am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:25pm:

Yes. I sometimes find.
I am ok though -- I come to Australia for 2012 study and I speak with lots of aussies.

Is interesting to me. Some have say "you should not be in West Bank" but then when I explain that 1967 Arab countrys attack Israel -- then they lose the land from their attack but then has cry to UN that land should be give back,,

You know also some say to me here in australia "UN has resolutions to Israel".

I say "we do not care about UN." And they do not like but is true, we Israeli ignores the UN and talk to allys for prefer.

And too they tell me of the Gaza Operation. You know I was IDF in Operation Cast Lead, I see my own eyes what is happen. People here they read story or they watch a camera. I was there, I was in Gaza and I have be shoot at, I have shoot back I had called for IAF air strike support from Tel Aviv command. I has seen Palestinians call to us and point to us where is Hamas and Islamic Jihad hide in the buildings.
But some aussie tell me all Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas!? I know, I know my own eyes this is not true!!!
But they do not listen and instead they want think me and my comrades is child killer and so on I think.

It is frustrate because how can people say from this far place in the world?

I read at the time of Operation Cast Lead of how the many residents of Gaza phoned IDF headquarters in Israel on mobile phones to give them the location of nearby Hamas missile and mortar crew.
These don't sound like people who supported Hamas.
Let's face it, a missile crew firing from the roof of your house above your head wouldn't be welcome, considering the residents would be well aware the IDF will return fire back to the point of origin.
Don't get frustrated Avram.
There's no point to it.
Your staying in a country far far away where 22 million people haven't spent 2 seconds walking in your shoes.

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Re: Israel finally declared terrorist state
Reply #54 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 7:15am

MOTR wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

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Moshe Dayan posthumously speaks out on the Golan Heights

“Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland...[Dayan stated] ‘They didn’t even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn’t possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn’t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.

And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that’s how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.’” The New York Times, May 11, 1997

How sad MOTR. Cry

Perhaps the Syrians should learn to make war better, instead of falling for an Israel ruse.

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Re: Israel finally declared terrorist state
Reply #55 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 10:54am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 7:13am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:25pm:

Yes. I sometimes find.
I am ok though -- I come to Australia for 2012 study and I speak with lots of aussies.

Is interesting to me. Some have say "you should not be in West Bank" but then when I explain that 1967 Arab countrys attack Israel -- then they lose the land from their attack but then has cry to UN that land should be give back,,

You know also some say to me here in australia "UN has resolutions to Israel".

I say "we do not care about UN." And they do not like but is true, we Israeli ignores the UN and talk to allys for prefer.

And too they tell me of the Gaza Operation. You know I was IDF in Operation Cast Lead, I see my own eyes what is happen. People here they read story or they watch a camera. I was there, I was in Gaza and I have be shoot at, I have shoot back I had called for IAF air strike support from Tel Aviv command. I has seen Palestinians call to us and point to us where is Hamas and Islamic Jihad hide in the buildings.
But some aussie tell me all Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas!? I know, I know my own eyes this is not true!!!
But they do not listen and instead they want think me and my comrades is child killer and so on I think.

It is frustrate because how can people say from this far place in the world?

I read at the time of Operation Cast Lead of how the many residents of Gaza phoned IDF headquarters in Israel on mobile phones to give them the location of nearby Hamas missile and mortar crew.
These don't sound like people who supported Hamas.
Let's face it, a missile crew firing from the roof of your house above your head wouldn't be welcome, considering the residents would be well aware the IDF will return fire back to the point of origin.
Don't get frustrated Avram.
There's no point to it.
Your staying in a country far far away where 22 million people haven't spent 2 seconds walking in your shoes.

Thank you.
I think you have good understanding of situation in Israel and Gaza.

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Reply #56 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 12:14pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:14pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

Are we going back to 1948 or 1967?

The land was taken by Israel in self defense in 1967 in war fight by my father and uncles.

This is how we has come to this land with the Palestinians. Aggression to Israel.

Avram

I always laugh when idiots say you should go back to your 1967 border.

Does that mean they want you to give Gaza back to Egypt?

Does that mean they want you to give the west bank back to Jordan?

Do they want you to give the land back to who you took it from or someone else?

Israel and Pakistan were created in similar circumstances yet the jew haters will never say Pakistan has no right to exist they only whinge about the jews.

The difference here is that this happened in recent times,
Just after the holocaust.
Notice how certain people and nations are still paying for the holocaust?
Jews are still aloud to complain about the holocaust?
Why can’t the Palestinians?

Does it not seem a little weird to say that the holocaust is still relevant but not the genocide of Palestine?

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Re: Israel finally declared terrorist state
Reply #57 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 12:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:14pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

Are we going back to 1948 or 1967?

The land was taken by Israel in self defense in 1967 in war fight by my father and uncles.

This is how we has come to this land with the Palestinians. Aggression to Israel.

Avram

I always laugh when idiots say you should go back to your 1967 border.

Does that mean they want you to give Gaza back to Egypt?

Does that mean they want you to give the west bank back to Jordan?

Do they want you to give the land back to who you took it from or someone else?

Israel and Pakistan were created in similar circumstances yet the jew haters will never say Pakistan has no right to exist they only whinge about the jews.

The difference here is that this happened in recent times,
Just after the holocaust.
Notice how certain people and nations are still paying for the holocaust?
Jews are still aloud to complain about the holocaust?
Why can’t the Palestinians?

Does it not seem a little weird to say that the holocaust is still relevant but not the genocide of Palestine?

Why would the Palestinians complain about the holocaust?
There involvement in the holocaust wasn't as victims.
Although the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a firm ally of the Nazis, and he had involvement in the establishment of a muslim SS division in Bosnia in 1942.
SS Heinrich Himmler loved his muslim soldiers, as they were the only ones who weren't afraid to die.
They actually thought life was better on the other side.
No doubt the Hanzar SS Division would have enjoyed sending a few Jews up the chimney eh.
You forget that Jordan was also formed in 1948, also happening in recent times.
And where is the genocide of the Palestinians except in Jordan, where in September 1970, the Jordanian army massacred up to 20,000 Palestinians over 4 days.
Tell me, where is this other genocide???
A Hamas census carried out in 2008 shows the population growing in Gaza.
Pictures on UTube of Gaza show plenty of overweight chunky Palestinians at the shopping malls stuffing their greedy faces.
Fatah in the West Bank are also yet to complain about a genocide in the West Bank.
Where are the bodies???
Soylent Green patties perhaps. Grin

Where are all the photo's of the 'genocide' that would have been sent to western press by left wing NGOs on the ground over there.
Your Palestinian 'genocide' supposedly carried out by the Israeli's is only in the minds of left wing muslim apologists and assorted useful idiots for Palestine.

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Reply #58 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 1:21pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 12:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:14pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

Are we going back to 1948 or 1967?

The land was taken by Israel in self defense in 1967 in war fight by my father and uncles.

This is how we has come to this land with the Palestinians. Aggression to Israel.

Avram

I always laugh when idiots say you should go back to your 1967 border.

Does that mean they want you to give Gaza back to Egypt?

Does that mean they want you to give the west bank back to Jordan?

Do they want you to give the land back to who you took it from or someone else?

Israel and Pakistan were created in similar circumstances yet the jew haters will never say Pakistan has no right to exist they only whinge about the jews.

The difference here is that this happened in recent times,
Just after the holocaust.
Notice how certain people and nations are still paying for the holocaust?
Jews are still aloud to complain about the holocaust?
Why can’t the Palestinians?

Does it not seem a little weird to say that the holocaust is still relevant but not the genocide of Palestine?

Why would the Palestinians complain about the holocaust?
There involvement in the holocaust wasn't as victims.
Although the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a firm ally of the Nazis, and he had involvement in the establishment of a muslim SS division in Bosnia in 1942.
SS Heinrich Himmler loved his muslim soldiers, as they were the only ones who weren't afraid to die.
They actually thought life was better on the other side.
No doubt the Hanzar SS Division would have enjoyed sending a few Jews up the chimney eh.
You forget that Jordan was also formed in 1948, also happening in recent times.
And where is the genocide of the Palestinians except in Jordan, where in September 1970, the Jordanian army massacred up to 20,000 Palestinians over 4 days.
Tell me, where is this other genocide???
A Hamas census carried out in 2008 shows the population growing in Gaza.
Pictures on UTube of Gaza show plenty of overweight chunky Palestinians at the shopping malls stuffing their greedy faces.
Fatah in the West Bank are also yet to complain about a genocide in the West Bank.
Where are the bodies???
Soylent Green patties perhaps. Grin

Where are all the photo's of the 'genocide' that would have been sent to western press by left wing NGOs on the ground over there.
Your Palestinian 'genocide' supposedly carried out by the Israeli's is only in the minds of left wing muslim apologists and assorted useful idiots for Palestine.

I dont think you understand what I was saying.
Sorry but there was a genocide commited by zionsits against the people of Palestine. You are ignorant to deny that

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Re: Israel finally declared terrorist state
Reply #59 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 1:22pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 12:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:14pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

Are we going back to 1948 or 1967?

The land was taken by Israel in self defense in 1967 in war fight by my father and uncles.

This is how we has come to this land with the Palestinians. Aggression to Israel.

Avram

I always laugh when idiots say you should go back to your 1967 border.

Does that mean they want you to give Gaza back to Egypt?

Does that mean they want you to give the west bank back to Jordan?

Do they want you to give the land back to who you took it from or someone else?

Israel and Pakistan were created in similar circumstances yet the jew haters will never say Pakistan has no right to exist they only whinge about the jews.

The difference here is that this happened in recent times,
Just after the holocaust.
Notice how certain people and nations are still paying for the holocaust?
Jews are still aloud to complain about the holocaust?
Why can’t the Palestinians?

Does it not seem a little weird to say that the holocaust is still relevant but not the genocide of Palestine?

Why would the Palestinians complain about the holocaust?
There involvement in the holocaust wasn't as victims.
Although the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a firm ally of the Nazis, and he had involvement in the establishment of a muslim SS division in Bosnia in 1942.
SS Heinrich Himmler loved his muslim soldiers, as they were the only ones who weren't afraid to die.
They actually thought life was better on the other side.
No doubt the Hanzar SS Division would have enjoyed sending a few Jews up the chimney eh.
You forget that Jordan was also formed in 1948, also happening in recent times.
And where is the genocide of the Palestinians except in Jordan, where in September 1970, the Jordanian army massacred up to 20,000 Palestinians over 4 days.
Tell me, where is this other genocide???
A Hamas census carried out in 2008 shows the population growing in Gaza.
Pictures on UTube of Gaza show plenty of overweight chunky Palestinians at the shopping malls stuffing their greedy faces.
Fatah in the West Bank are also yet to complain about a genocide in the West Bank.
Where are the bodies???
Soylent Green patties perhaps. Grin

Where are all the photo's of the 'genocide' that would have been sent to western press by left wing NGOs on the ground over there.
Your Palestinian 'genocide' supposedly carried out by the Israeli's is only in the minds of left wing muslim apologists and assorted useful idiots for Palestine.

I dont think you understand what I was saying.
Sorry but there was a genocide commited by zionsits against the people of Palestine. You are ignorant to deny that

No there was not.

You do not think that you would know more than me who comes from this place?

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