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Question: Do you believe in a god?

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Why Should I Believe?
Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:16am
 
I am a non-believer. I don't consider verses from any fiction book to be "evidence" of any higher power. Is there any other reason I should "believe" in religion? Other than some book?

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Reply #1 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:18am
 
Didnt they tell you as a child?
If you dont you will be tortured and raped for eternity in the firey pits of hell with some monster sticking bricks up your ass.
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Reply #2 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:23am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:18am:
Didnt they tell you as a child?
If you dont you will be tortured and raped for eternity in the firey pits of hell with some monster sticking bricks up your ass.


Lol. No. I never even heard of "jesus" until I was 12 and by then I was old enough to laugh @ the concept.

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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:46am
 
"Why Should I Believe?"





There is no 'ulterior motive'......

"Goodness, is its own reward."

"Be good, for goodness sake."







1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.




Yadda said.....
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I believe that we can be persuaded by reason and by argument, on spiritual issues, especially by meditation upon spiritual matters.        [...but in a world full of sensual stimulation, is meditation very appealing to our senses ?]

But i think is is a mistaken path to 'force' religion upon a child, any child.

And how can you 'force' a foolish child, to learn wisdom ???

You can't.

The child with either seek out wisdom, because it see's some value in wisdom, OR, the child will take the path of the world.





I believe that in the end we all come to make our own choices, in the secular world, and in 'spiritual matters.








On wisdom.....

Proverbs 8:32
Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
33  Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34  Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35  For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36  But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.





Proverbs 3:11
My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
12  For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
13  Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
14  For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.






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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:57am
 
More stuff from a book . . . . .

Goodness might be its own reward but insanity is its own reward too.

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Reply #5 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:57am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:23am:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:18am:
Didnt they tell you as a child?
If you dont you will be tortured and raped for eternity in the firey pits of hell with some monster sticking bricks up your ass.


Lol. No. I never even heard of "jesus" until I was 12 and by then I was old enough to laugh @ the concept.

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Reply #6 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:08pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 11:57am:
More stuff from a book . . . . .

Goodness might be its own reward .......
but insanity is its own reward too
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Exactly so, spot.




A simple definition of INSANITY;

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Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.






"...typically, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself and, or, others around him."







'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #7 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:10pm
 
Uhhh yeah. And your point?

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Reply #8 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:11pm
 
Quote:
"Goodness, is its own reward."

If this is true, why not just be good?
Why do you need to do it in the name of a book or god or whatever else?
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Reply #9 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:22pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:11pm:
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"Goodness, is its own reward."


If this is true, why not just be good?

Why do you need to do it in the name of a book or god or whatever else?




Goodness as conduct, is acceptable to [my] God.


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Reply #10 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:23pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:22pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:11pm:
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"Goodness, is its own reward."


If this is true, why not just be good?

Why do you need to do it in the name of a book or god or whatever else?




That is acceptable to [my] God.



Do you do it because you fear god and hell, or because you want to please him and get into heaven?
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Reply #11 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:31pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:23pm:
Yadda wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:22pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:11pm:
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"Goodness, is its own reward."


If this is true, why not just be good?

Why do you need to do it in the name of a book or god or whatever else?




That is acceptable to [my] God.




Do you do it because you #1, fear god and hell, or because you #2, want to please him and get into heaven?




#1, No.


#2, No.   [.....well, maybe a little        Wink     ]




But mostly because i have come to the knowledge that.....


"Goodness, is its own reward."

"Be good, for goodness sake."



Those who love God, know that those things are true, and worthy, and that seeking goodness, is seeking to please God.

If we achieve goodness in our lives, we do please God.




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Reply #12 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:34pm
 
So far I see no reason to believe anything. "Goodness" is universal as is "badness". Not that i would believe something just because i decided to. Belief doesnt really happen that way despite what some ppl claim.

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Reply #13 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:37pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:34pm:
So far I see no reason to believe anything. "Goodness" is universal as is "badness". Not that i would believe something just because i decided to. Belief doesnt really happen that way despite what some ppl claim.

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Then go your way.

Walk your own path.



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Reply #14 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:45pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:23pm:
Yadda wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:22pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:11pm:
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"Goodness, is its own reward."


If this is true, why not just be good?

Why do you need to do it in the name of a book or god or whatever else?




That is acceptable to [my] God.




Do you do it because you #1, fear god and hell, or because you #2, want to please him and get into heaven?




#1, No.


#2, No.   [.....well, maybe a little        Wink     ]




But mostly because i have come to the knowledge that.....


"Goodness, is its own reward."

"Be good, for goodness sake."



Those who love God, know that those things are true, and worthy, and that seeking goodness, is seeking to please God.

If we achieve goodness in our lives, we do please God.




So if goodness is its own reward why does your god use heaven and hell to make people be good?
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