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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #105 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Lol. Sorry. The thing is that reality cant be changed. Philosophers try to answer these questions but they havent managed it yet.

Philosophers try to answer many questions... Even the great existential ones, like... How should we live?

Do philosophers try to answer that question? Huh. Well for them I would expect the answer would be to sit around thinking all day Wink

. Seriously do you mean lifestyles or what?

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Reply #106 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:55pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Lol. Sorry. The thing is that reality cant be changed. Philosophers try to answer these questions but they havent managed it yet.

Philosophers try to answer many questions... Even the great existential ones, like... How should we live?

Do philosophers try to answer that question? Huh. Well for them I would expect the answer would be to sit around thinking all day Wink

. Seriously do you mean lifestyles or what?

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Read some Alain de Botton.

The Consolations of Philosophy
Status Anxiety
The Architecture of Happiness
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses of Religion

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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #107 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 2:04pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Lol. Sorry. The thing is that reality cant be changed. Philosophers try to answer these questions but they havent managed it yet.

Philosophers try to answer many questions... Even the great existential ones, like... How should we live?

Do philosophers try to answer that question? Huh. Well for them I would expect the answer would be to sit around thinking all day Wink

. Seriously do you mean lifestyles or what?

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Read some Alain de Botton.

The Consolations of Philosophy
Status Anxiety
The Architecture of Happiness
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses of Religion

I dont have time or money to go read a bunch of books. Just nutshell it for me.

Though i can think of a use for religion for atheists. It is useful to keep all the fruitbats in distinctive boxes so we know where they are.

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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #108 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 2:06pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 2:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Lol. Sorry. The thing is that reality cant be changed. Philosophers try to answer these questions but they havent managed it yet.

Philosophers try to answer many questions... Even the great existential ones, like... How should we live?

Do philosophers try to answer that question? Huh. Well for them I would expect the answer would be to sit around thinking all day Wink

. Seriously do you mean lifestyles or what?

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Read some Alain de Botton.

The Consolations of Philosophy
Status Anxiety
The Architecture of Happiness
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses of Religion

I dont have time or money to go read a bunch of books. Just nutshell it for me.

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Reply #109 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 3:41pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 2:06pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 2:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Lol. Sorry. The thing is that reality cant be changed. Philosophers try to answer these questions but they havent managed it yet.

Philosophers try to answer many questions... Even the great existential ones, like... How should we live?

Do philosophers try to answer that question? Huh. Well for them I would expect the answer would be to sit around thinking all day Wink

. Seriously do you mean lifestyles or what?

SOB

Read some Alain de Botton.

The Consolations of Philosophy
Status Anxiety
The Architecture of Happiness
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses of Religion

I dont have time or money to go read a bunch of books. Just nutshell it for me.

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There's no external cure for wilful ignorance.

This is a forum. You brought up a point. I called you on it. You need to explain it. Not direct me to buy and read countless books.

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Reply #110 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 3:55pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 3:41pm:

This is a forum. You brought up a point. I called you on it. You need to explain it. Not direct me to buy and read countless books.

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You ask a massive and nebulous existential question like "Why should I believe" and expect to not have to read? Roll Eyes

You want me to "nutshell" it? Grin

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Why Should I Believe? Reply #111 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 4:01pm No. Perhaps its gotten lost in all the quotes. I asked you what you meant by the "how we live" that the philosophers discuss. SOB
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Reply #112 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 4:02pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 4:01pm:

No. Perhaps its gotten lost in all the quotes. I asked you what you meant by the "how we live" that the philosophers discuss.

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"How should we live?"

An even more massively nebulous existential question than "Why should I believe".

It is one of the great Socratic questions that should be asked by everyone of every age... The unexamined life being not worth living (a great Socratic adage).

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Reply #113 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 4:59pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 4:02pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 4:01pm:

No. Perhaps its gotten lost in all the quotes. I asked you what you meant by the "how we live" that the philosophers discuss.

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"How should we live?"

An even more massively nebulous existential question than "Why should I believe".

It is one of the great Socratic questions that should be asked by everyone of every age... The unexamined life being not worth living (a great Socratic adage).

Geez. Im not asking how we live im asking what the question means. Is the question about whjat culture we should live in? Is it about our day to day chores? Im asking what the question is. what is it you reckon they are contemplating.

"why should i believe" was explained in my post what i meant with the question. I dont know what you mean with that question.

By the way I do realise you were attempting to answer my question about the belief by providing ideas of why ppl believe. I just dont think its possible to believe just because you think you should or need to. Believing in fairies requires a suspension of logic.

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Reply #114 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 5:12pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 4:59pm:

Geez. Im not asking how we live im asking what the question means. Is the question about whjat culture we should live in? Is it about our day to day chores? Im asking what the question is. what is it you reckon they are contemplating.

"why should i believe" was explained in my post what i meant with the question. I dont know what you mean with that question.

By the way I do realise you were attempting to answer my question about the belief by providing ideas of why ppl believe. I just dont think its possible to believe just because you think you should or need to. Believing in fairies requires a suspension of logic.

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"How should we live?"

Should we always be just? Should we always be courageous? Should we always be honest? Should we always be compassionate?

What do you believe?

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Reply #115 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 6:32pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 5:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 4:59pm:

Geez. Im not asking how we live im asking what the question means. Is the question about whjat culture we should live in? Is it about our day to day chores? Im asking what the question is. what is it you reckon they are contemplating.

"why should i believe" was explained in my post what i meant with the question. I dont know what you mean with that question.

By the way I do realise you were attempting to answer my question about the belief by providing ideas of why ppl believe. I just dont think its possible to believe just because you think you should or need to. Believing in fairies requires a suspension of logic.

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"How should we live?"

Should we always be just? Should we always be courageous? Should we always be honest? Should we always be compassionate?

What do you believe?

Okay I think I get it. What should our personal ethics be. Maybe how do we determine them.

People in the world nowadays have kinda agreed on a couple things (killing is bad). Not on others (raping is bad). Your culture determines a lot of it but imo religion has done more harm than good in that area. The "10 commandments" are completely useless in this day and age and the koran is even worse (imo).

The thing is you dont need "beliefs" to determine how you act in your life. Humans have empathy and other emotions that should influence decisions. Eg most ppl treat others as they would expect to be treated. Of course there are always exception and these exception are usually caused by either some kind of mental problem or religion or both. More and more I see religious ppl (especially in america) saying that emotions are evil. They are there for a reason. They are part of us.

Anyway thats just my theory. I dont believe anything.

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Reply #116 - Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:25am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:52am:

I believe philosophy is non scientific alternative to science.
Religion has never answered any questions.

Philosophy refuses point blank to answer any questions.

"For every philosopher, there is an equal and opposite philospher. "
Muso's Law.

I think the old Golden rule is a good enough rule of thumb. Treat everybody as you expect to be treated.

Killing a living being is killing one's own self; showing compassion to a living being is showing compassion to oneself. He who desires his own good, should avoid causing any harm to a living being.

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Reply #117 - Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:38am

muso wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:25am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:52am:

I believe philosophy is non scientific alternative to science.
Religion has never answered any questions.

Philosophy refuses point blank to answer any questions.

"For every philosopher, there is an equal and opposite philospher. "
Muso's Law.

I think the old Golden rule is a good enough rule of thumb. Treat everybody as you expect to be treated.

Killing a living being is killing one's own self; showing compassion to a living being is showing compassion to oneself. He who desires his own good, should avoid causing any harm to a living being.

I obviously didnt read this properly before. Philosophy is NOT a non-scientific alternative to science. There is no alternative to science but philosophy does not address the same things as science nor in the same way so it is not even the same field. An alternative would be something you could use instead. You cannot use philosophy instead of science for anything. They are different things.

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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #118 - Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:52am

muso wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:25am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:52am:

I believe philosophy is non scientific alternative to science.
Religion has never answered any questions.

Philosophy refuses point blank to answer any questions.

"For every philosopher, there is an equal and opposite philospher. "
Muso's Law.

I think the old Golden rule is a good enough rule of thumb. Treat everybody as you expect to be treated.

Killing a living being is killing one's own self; showing compassion to a living being is showing compassion to oneself. He who desires his own good, should avoid causing any harm to a living being.

Philosophy depends on reality.
If there is nothing to answer then it cannot answer it.
When science uncovers what that 'nothing' might be as to the creation of the universe then philosophy will probably do a great job at analysing and interpreting it for people who need more then a spreadsheet.

I agree, this is why I treat theists like crap because this is how they have treated the rest of society for thousands of years.

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Question: Do you believe in a god?
Yes 1 (12.5%) No 6 (75.0%) Unknown 0 (0.0%) Yes and my religion has the right one 1 (12.5%) Total votes: 8 « Created by: Sir Spot of Borg on: Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 10:06am »