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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #90 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:42am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:09am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:01am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 11:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 11:18am:

Just because we use them that doesnt mean we "need" them to survive. Not an inbuilt need.

We don't use them for no reason, we need them. Subtract all those things ritualistic from your life for a month and assess the difference. Would it be a positive difference, do you think? Instead of, say, introducing yourself formally to an unknown party when required to do so, you instead do something else... Say, you break into a tap dance...

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 11:18am:

What is your point? That we need religion? Is that your point? We do not need religion. Religion is primitive bs that was used to explain things that we didnt understand. Now we have science.

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Ah, science!

I'll leave that chestnut to others on this board, except to say, is science your crypto-religion?

Yeah but we *can* stop rituals. Most cultures are different too. What is polite in one place is rude in another. And some ppl are just rude (dont do it).

Yes, of course... rituals wax, wane, morph, transmogrify, come into use and fall out of use.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:01am:

As for your weird comment about science. Are you implying that science is in some way a religion? Here you may need this. Read it. Learn from it. Afterall learning is what normal humans do.

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Not so weird. I am not implying that science is a religion, I'm asking if you embrace it as if it were... a crypto-religion?

Religion, for believers, answers (at least in their minds) their great existential questions and eases their existential angst... Others use philosophy to address the same... But is it science?

You are accusing me of thinking science is a philosophy or are you saying science is a philosophy? Are you that dim or are you trying to erk me?

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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #91 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:31am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:42am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:09am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:01am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 11:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 11:18am:

Just because we use them that doesnt mean we "need" them to survive. Not an inbuilt need.

We don't use them for no reason, we need them. Subtract all those things ritualistic from your life for a month and assess the difference. Would it be a positive difference, do you think? Instead of, say, introducing yourself formally to an unknown party when required to do so, you instead do something else... Say, you break into a tap dance...

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 11:18am:

What is your point? That we need religion? Is that your point? We do not need religion. Religion is primitive bs that was used to explain things that we didnt understand. Now we have science.

SOB

Ah, science!

I'll leave that chestnut to others on this board, except to say, is science your crypto-religion?

Yeah but we *can* stop rituals. Most cultures are different too. What is polite in one place is rude in another. And some ppl are just rude (dont do it).

Yes, of course... rituals wax, wane, morph, transmogrify, come into use and fall out of use.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 9:01am:

As for your weird comment about science. Are you implying that science is in some way a religion? Here you may need this. Read it. Learn from it. Afterall learning is what normal humans do.

SOB

Not so weird. I am not implying that science is a religion, I'm asking if you embrace it as if it were... a crypto-religion?

Religion, for believers, answers (at least in their minds) their great existential questions and eases their existential angst... Others use philosophy to address the same... But is it science?

You are accusing me of thinking science is a philosophy or are you saying science is a philosophy? Are you that dim or are you trying to erk me?

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I am asking if you are embracing science as a crypto-religion. It was you (was it not?) who suggested above that science has replaced religion... So, again... (As you have implied) Do you believe science is a crypto-religion?

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Reply #93 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:47am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:33am:

No. I didnt mean it has replaced religion. I meant it has made religion irrelevant as an explanation for things that in the past seemed magical.

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And yet the reason for being of religion is also to answer, for the believer, existential questions and ameliorate existential angst.

What should replace religion's more fundamental role of answering these non-scientific questions? What would it be like... This thing that superseded religion's utility in answering these deeply existential questions?

Philosophers like de Botton and Dennett suggest that the answer is to take from religion (and religious ritual) what is still useful. Do you agree?

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Reply #94 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:51am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:33am:

No. I didnt mean it has replaced religion. I meant it has made religion irrelevant as an explanation for things that in the past seemed magical.

SOB

And yet the reason for being of religion is also to answer, for the believer, existential questions and ameliorate existential angst.

What should replace religion's more fundamental role of answering these non-scientific questions? What would it be like... This thing that superseded religion's utility in answering these deeply existential questions?

Philosophers like de Botton and Dennett suggest that the answer is to take from religion (and religious ritual) what is still useful. Do you agree?

If you need answers too bad they arent there. We dont know. If you need "relief from angst" you can pretend to believe in fairies but it doesnt change the fact that they dont exist and you dont really have those answers.

If you really do believe in fairies then well you have your answers dont you. Isnt reality the preferred answer though?

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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #95 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:52am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:33am:

No. I didnt mean it has replaced religion. I meant it has made religion irrelevant as an explanation for things that in the past seemed magical.

SOB

And yet the reason for being of religion is also to answer, for the believer, existential questions and ameliorate existential angst.

What should replace religion's more fundamental role of answering these non-scientific questions? What would it be like... This thing that superseded religion's utility in answering these deeply existential questions?

Philosophers like de Botton and Dennett suggest that the answer is to take from religion (and religious ritual) what is still useful. Do you agree?

Science does not seek to answer, but to understand.
There is no understanding in religion, only predetermined answers.

I believe philosophy is non scientific alternative to science.
Religion has never answered any questions.

A day without sunshine is like night.

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Reply #96 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:55am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:51am:

If you need answers too bad they arent there. We dont know. If you need "relief from angst" you can pretend to believe in fairies but it doesnt change the fact that they dont exist and you dont really have those answers.

If you really do believe in fairies then well you have your answers dont you. Isnt reality the preferred answer though?

SOB

Ah yes! Kick-arse existentialism!

I guess you now have some reason as to why religion still exists!

I'd say those who suffer deeply from existential angst are looking for a bit more than 'suffer in your jocks'.

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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #97 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:57am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:52am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:33am:

No. I didnt mean it has replaced religion. I meant it has made religion irrelevant as an explanation for things that in the past seemed magical.

SOB

And yet the reason for being of religion is also to answer, for the believer, existential questions and ameliorate existential angst.

What should replace religion's more fundamental role of answering these non-scientific questions? What would it be like... This thing that superseded religion's utility in answering these deeply existential questions?

Philosophers like de Botton and Dennett suggest that the answer is to take from religion (and religious ritual) what is still useful. Do you agree?

Science does not seek to answer, but to understand.
There is no understanding in religion, only predetermined answers.

I believe philosophy is non scientific alternative to science.
Religion has never answered any questions.

So, how should we live?

Conviction is the art of being certain

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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #98 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:01pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:57am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:52am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:33am:

No. I didnt mean it has replaced religion. I meant it has made religion irrelevant as an explanation for things that in the past seemed magical.

SOB

And yet the reason for being of religion is also to answer, for the believer, existential questions and ameliorate existential angst.

What should replace religion's more fundamental role of answering these non-scientific questions? What would it be like... This thing that superseded religion's utility in answering these deeply existential questions?

Philosophers like de Botton and Dennett suggest that the answer is to take from religion (and religious ritual) what is still useful. Do you agree?

Science does not seek to answer, but to understand.
There is no understanding in religion, only predetermined answers.

I believe philosophy is non scientific alternative to science.
Religion has never answered any questions.

So, how should we live?

By eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping and pooing.

A day without sunshine is like night.

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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #99 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:03pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:57am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:52am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:33am:

No. I didnt mean it has replaced religion. I meant it has made religion irrelevant as an explanation for things that in the past seemed magical.

SOB

And yet the reason for being of religion is also to answer, for the believer, existential questions and ameliorate existential angst.

What should replace religion's more fundamental role of answering these non-scientific questions? What would it be like... This thing that superseded religion's utility in answering these deeply existential questions?

Philosophers like de Botton and Dennett suggest that the answer is to take from religion (and religious ritual) what is still useful. Do you agree?

Science does not seek to answer, but to understand.
There is no understanding in religion, only predetermined answers.

I believe philosophy is non scientific alternative to science.
Religion has never answered any questions.

So, how should we live?

By eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping and pooing.

Yairs... You're out of your depth...

Next.

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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #100 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:06pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:57am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:52am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:33am:

No. I didnt mean it has replaced religion. I meant it has made religion irrelevant as an explanation for things that in the past seemed magical.

SOB

And yet the reason for being of religion is also to answer, for the believer, existential questions and ameliorate existential angst.

What should replace religion's more fundamental role of answering these non-scientific questions? What would it be like... This thing that superseded religion's utility in answering these deeply existential questions?

Philosophers like de Botton and Dennett suggest that the answer is to take from religion (and religious ritual) what is still useful. Do you agree?

Science does not seek to answer, but to understand.
There is no understanding in religion, only predetermined answers.

I believe philosophy is non scientific alternative to science.
Religion has never answered any questions.

So, how should we live?

By eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping and pooing.

Yairs... You're out of your depth...

Next.

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Re: Why Should I Believe?
Reply #101 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:55am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 11:51am:

If you need answers too bad they arent there. We dont know. If you need "relief from angst" you can pretend to believe in fairies but it doesnt change the fact that they dont exist and you dont really have those answers.

If you really do believe in fairies then well you have your answers dont you. Isnt reality the preferred answer though?

SOB

Ah yes! Kick-arse existentialism!

I guess you now have some reason as to why religion still exists!

I'd say those who suffer deeply from existential angst are looking for a bit more than 'suffer in your jocks'.

Lol. Sorry. The thing is that reality cant be changed. Philosophers try to answer these questions but they havent managed it yet.

Religions are great social networks though and humans love those. All you have to do is pretend to believe the same thing a bunch of other ppl are pretending to believe and hate the other lot that are pretending to believe something else and voila! Social paradise.

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Reply #103 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:34pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Lol. Sorry. The thing is that reality cant be changed. Philosophers try to answer these questions but they havent managed it yet.

Philosophers try to answer many questions... Even the great existential ones, like... How should we live?

So how should we live o holy one?

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Reply #104 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Lol. Sorry. The thing is that reality cant be changed. Philosophers try to answer these questions but they havent managed it yet.

Philosophers try to answer many questions... Even the great existential ones, like... How should we live?

So how should we live o holy one?

Well, for you I think eat, drink, breathe and sh!t would be about right... Like a... Grin

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