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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26509 Australia	Re: Israel and the Palestinians Reply #150 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:23pm Quote: I say; Raze Gaza city to the ground, if it will stop the rockets emanating from Gaza I say it would be easier to just nuke israel. SOB
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Reply #151 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:28pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

So what is your alternative? Let them fire rockets into Israeli cities? What about the Israeli civilians in those buildings?

cooperate in the peace process.

SOB

There is no sincere 'peace process'.

There is only a desire, on the part of Israel's enemies, to use the machinations of 'a peace process' to weaken Israel to the point were ISLAMISTS can then destroy Israel.

That is not going to happen.

Many moslems are going to die, again.

Because that is the desire, of their 'god', Allah.

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
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Reply #152 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:31pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

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I say; Raze Gaza city to the ground, if it will stop the rockets emanating from Gaza

I say it would be easier to just nuke israel.

SOB

Yes, that would kill a lot of worthless, evil Jews, wouldn't it SOB ???
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The 'problem' of the State of Israel and the Jewish people ?

Problem solved.
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SOB,

Are you sure that you are not a moslem ???

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......A moslem, promoting, justifying, ISLAM's murder of those who do not believe, as they believe.

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Reply #153 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:35pm

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There is no sincere 'peace process'.

There is only a desire, on the part of Israel's enemies, to use the machinations of 'a peace process' to weaken Israel to the point were ISLAMISTS can then destroy Israel.

That is not going to happen.

There would be a sincere peace process if israel would be sincere about it. Israel breaks the ceasefires every time not the palestinians. They (and you obviously) are so blinded by racism that you assign motives to ppl and refuse to even try. Also israel wont be reasonable. That last "agreement" wasnt acceptable.

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Reply #154 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:36pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

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How do we know there are civilians in there?
Unless we conduct door to door investigation we do not know.

EXACTLY! And yet you blow them up. It is reasonable to expect there are families and children in there because they are apartment buildings and thats where families and children live. However you dont check you just blast away not caring.

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Why do you not understand the obvious?

There is no Israeli in Gaza. But they fire rockets at us.

If they did not fire rockets then there would be no retaliation. Hard to understand?

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Reply #155 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:37pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

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There is no sincere 'peace process'.

There is only a desire, on the part of Israel's enemies, to use the machinations of 'a peace process' to weaken Israel to the point were ISLAMISTS can then destroy Israel.

That is not going to happen.

There would be a sincere peace process if israel would be sincere about it. Israel breaks the ceasefires every time not the palestinians. They (and you obviously) are so blinded by racism that you assign motives to ppl and refuse to even try. Also israel wont be reasonable. That last "agreement" wasnt acceptable.

SOB

Israel left Gaza.
Israel drew back from the security buffer of northern Israeli border.

Never forced by Palestinians.
Done because we said we would.

They stop firing rockets, there will be no more retaliation.

Why do you not understand that point?

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Reply #156 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:40pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:36pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

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How do we know there are civilians in there?
Unless we conduct door to door investigation we do not know.

EXACTLY! And yet you blow them up. It is reasonable to expect there are families and children in there because they are apartment buildings and thats where families and children live. However you dont check you just blast away not caring.

SOB

Why do you not understand the obvious?

There is no Israeli in Gaza. But they fire rockets at us.

If they did not fire rockets then there would be no retaliation. Hard to understand?

They fire rockets because you bulldoze in west bank most prolly. Because you have 100s of their ppl locked up in jails without trial. Because you go to gaza and blow up apartment buildings. Because israel wont commit to peace or ceasefires. Because israel is still building settlements (yeah you said they werent).

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Israel and the Palestinians Reply #157 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:41pm Hamas has nothing to do with West Bank. How much do you actually know about my region? You seem to get a lot wrong.
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Reply #158 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:46pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Hamas has nothing to do with West Bank.

How much do you actually know about my region?

You seem to get a lot wrong.

Its all palestinians. Whatever the politics the ppl are all palestinians. If there is a 2 state solution it will be all palestine.

I dont read all the articles that come up in my google news., They just make me angry. They are always either some israelis killing some palestinai9ns or some palestinians trying to kill some israelis. This all needs to stop. Israel wont be reasonable though.

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Reply #159 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:56pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Hamas has nothing to do with West Bank.

How much do you actually know about my region?

You seem to get a lot wrong.

Its all palestinians. Whatever the politics the ppl are all palestinians. If there is a 2 state solution it will be all palestine.

I dont read all the articles that come up in my google news., They just make me angry. They are always either some israelis killing some palestinai9ns or some palestinians trying to kill some israelis. This all needs to stop. Israel wont be reasonable though.

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Yes but you see the problem they want a state but the two Gaza and West Bank hate each other.

Fatah and Hamas have killed each other.
It is no problem to me, I have seen Palestinian gun battle on West Bank between the two sides and we sit back and watch it from the checkpoint.

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Reply #160 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 3:00pm

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Yes but you see the problem they want a state but the two Gaza and West Bank hate each other.

Fatah and Hamas have killed each other.
It is no problem to me, I have seen Palestinian gun battle on West Bank between the two sides and we sit back and watch it from the checkpoint.

Okay. I did not know about that. Can you tell me more about it? the prisoners in the jail are they from west bank gaza or both?

How can they have 1 state if they are fighting between themselves? Would it be 1 country with 2 states? And why does israel keep building on west bank and bulldozing ppls homes?

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Reply #161 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 3:02pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 3:00pm:

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Yes but you see the problem they want a state but the two Gaza and West Bank hate each other.

Fatah and Hamas have killed each other.
It is no problem to me, I have seen Palestinian gun battle on West Bank between the two sides and we sit back and watch it from the checkpoint.

Okay. I did not know about that. Can you tell me more about it?

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Fatah and Hamas hate each other with passion.
Hamas has kicked out all of Fatah members from gaza and torched the HQ in Gaza City of Fatah.

In response Fatah members have beaten Hamas members on the West Bank and banished them to Gaza.

The clashes then happen over last 2 years where they are found in each other territory.

They both hate each other.
You do not know this?

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Reply #162 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 3:05pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

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There is no sincere 'peace process'.

There is only a desire, on the part of Israel's enemies, to use the machinations of 'a peace process' to weaken Israel to the point were ISLAMISTS can then destroy Israel.

That is not going to happen.

There would be a sincere peace process if israel would be sincere about it. Israel breaks the ceasefires every time not the palestinians. They (and you obviously) are so blinded by racism that you assign motives to ppl and refuse to even try. Also israel wont be reasonable. That last "agreement" wasnt acceptable.

SOB

That is kind of naive don't you think Spot? All they have to do is stop firing rockets, and peace would be pretty much inevitable. The truth is that too many muslims (including Abu and Falah) cannot tolerate the existence of Israel and think the ongoing deaths of Palestinian people is a small price to pay to keep open the chance of a glorious victory in which the surviving Israeli's are sent to some other country.

When it comes to who breaks the ceasefires, you are yet again talking about something of which you know nothing at all. You have previously attempted to justify the inability of the Palestinian authority to prevent Palestinians from firing rockets into Israel (because they are upset), but at the same time argue that they are the more restrained ones.

You can't have it both ways. Either they are a reasonable group of people who are capable of pacticing self control and are worth negotiating with, or they are petulant reactionaries who are not responsible for their own actions.

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Reply #163 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 3:07pm

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

So what is your alternative? Let them fire rockets into Israeli cities? What about the Israeli civilians in those buildings?

I don't see how you can propose that the best way to stop murderers is to murder someone else.......

The first step to an answer is to admit that there is no defense from murderers using civilians as shields.

Then engage them around a table.

TALK!

While they're talking - really talking - they won't be firing rockets. Which is what you want.

So, your solution, if i try to murder you, is to let me murder you ???

That will put an end to violence ???

You propose that when a bully threatens us, we should give the bully, everything he wants ???

You can do that.

Here are my list of demands;

I want your car keys.

I want all of the money in your bank account.

And, i want the title to your house.

And i want your wife, as a servant and sexual play thing.

No?, you won't submit to my demands ?

Then you should let me kill you, so as to avoid any violence that >> I << may suffer.

What is so unreasonable with my demands, YOU BIGOT! ???

You do want >> ME << to avoid suffering violence, don't you ???
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Gist,

YOU CAN GO TO HELL, TOO!

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Reply #164 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 3:24pm

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You do not know this?

Well now you mention it I do remember hearing about it and thinking it was just internal politics.I didnt remember. Its just because they are constantly in a state of oppressions and readiness for attack they are way more violent. 2 different political parties like here but they have violence.

*note to others. This is why i prefer to talk to avram. He doesnt insult me as much and actually tells me what it is he thinks i dont know. He got me that time because i forgot about those 2 factions.

Of course avram you didnt answer my questions there. Is there a peace process going on between the 2? From what I remember it was west bank that is trying to start the peace process? Am I right? Yet if I am right they are the very ones you are imposing upon with the bulldozing and building.

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All they have to do is stop firing rockets, and peace would be pretty much inevitable.

They have stopped many times and israel always does something that causes them to start up again.

The rest of your crap is misrepresenting me again so im ignoring it

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So, your solution, if i try to murder you, is to let me murder you ???

This seems to be the attitude of israel. Someone sends a rocket that doesnt kill anyone so they blow up 2 apartment buildings full of families and children. Disproportionate and not a good way to make peace. Perhaps if israel stops provoking them they will stop. Wow! what a novel idea!

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YOU CAN GO TO HELL, TOO!

What a fine argument you put forth there! you sure told him!

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