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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #240 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:25pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

Are you a muslim SOB or do you just parrot Islamic propaganda.... ???

That is a worthy question Baron.

But no straight answer is forthcoming, so far.

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Is SOB a gay moslem ???

A person who is trying desperately to 'maintain' a relationship with her [moslem] community ?

A person who's [moslem] sympathies remain with the 'Palestinians' ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #241 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:53pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

We [moslems and non-moslems] cannot live together peacefully, because of the nature of ISLAM.

Personally, i would choose to FORCEFULLY segregate moslems and non-moslems.

That would be my choice.

But that would >> NOT << not be the choice of rightly guided moslems.

Their intent is to invade all non-moslem lands and to enslave or to 'righteously' kill, all 'unbelievers'.

We [non-moslems] cannot change the intent of moslems towards us, unless we can change the meaning of the Koran.

And we [non-moslems] cannot do that.

Because moslems consider the Koran to be an immutable and inerrant document, authored by their god, Allah.

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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 9.38, 39

And non, and on, and on it goes.......

ISLAM mandates a never ending enmity and hatred, from moslems, towards those who choose not to accept ISLAM [to towards those are not moslems].

WE [non-moslems] WILL NEVER, EVER, CHANGE THAT ASPECT OF ISLAM.

All that we non-moslems can do, is to FORCEFULLY segregate moslems and non-moslems.

We can allow moslems to live among themselves.

But for our own safety, we cannot allow moslems to live among us [non-moslems].

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #242 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:57pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:15pm:

Also Avram - you say you arent in gaza but you are still blockading them

http://www.newsday.com/news/world/aid-groups-ask-israel-lift-gaza-blockade-1.378...

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GAZA CITY -- Fifty international aid groups and UN agencies urged Israel Thursday to open Gaza's borders, saying its border blockade violates international law and indiscriminately harms Gaza's 1.6 million people.

The appeal was issued on the fifth anniversary of the imposition of the blockade, triggered by the violent takeover of Gaza by the Islamic militant Hamas in June 2007.

Two years ago, Israel started allowing imports of most consumer goods, but continues to ban virtually all Gaza exports and travel through Israeli crossings.

Israel has said the blockade is meant to prevent Hamas from building up its military arsenal and Gaza militants from carrying out attacks on Israel. The Hamas founding charter calls for the destruction of Israel and over its 25-year history the group has killed hundreds of Israelis in shootings and bombings.

International aid agencies say, however, that the blockade mainly punishes ordinary Gazans by crippling the territory's economy, forcing foreign donors to spend money on humanitarian relief instead of investing in the economy.

"What Gaza needs is real development, but because of the blockade we are obliged to concentrate on humanitarian work," Filippo Grandi, head of the UN Relief and Works Agency, told reporters in Gaza yesterday. Grandi's group is Gaza's biggest foreign agency, supporting some 1.2 million refugees and their descendants in the territory.

Spending on emergency needs, such as food and medicine, does not address fundamental problems, Grandi said. "In fact, it's a waste of money, but a waste we are obliged to make because of the blockade," he added.

He said his agency is running low on funds and, among other things, had to cancel its popular summer camps for tens of thousands of Gaza children.

In its six-decade history in Gaza, the agency's main roles have been supplying refugees with basic food products and operating schools.

One-third of Gaza's labor force is unemployed, and exports are at only 5 percent of what they were in 2007, he said.

The easing of import restrictions spurred some growth, but mainly because Gaza started from a very low baseline, Grandi said, noting that the per capita GDP in 2011 remained at 10 percent below the 2005 level.

About 60 percent of Gazans are under 18 and youth unemployment stands at 51 percent, according to UN figures.

SOB

Egypt has a border with the Gaza strip so why are the Egyptians contributing to this blockade of Gaza?

Why do you single Israel out when Egypt is also contributing to the blockade of Gaza?

Are you a muslim SOB or do you just parrot Islamic propaganda, why is it ok for muslim Egypt to blockade Gaza without criticism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

Well the article didnt mention egypt. Egypt blockading them isnt any goods either but it doesnt excuse israel.

Meanwhile I see nobody wants to address the topic. All distracting with attempted insults again. Lol so predictable.

Avram will answer me.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18418 Gender:	Re: Israel and the Palestinians Reply #243 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:10pm Yadda wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:40pm: Are you a muslim SOB or do you just parrot Islamic propaganda.... ??? That is a worthy question Baron. But no straight answer is forthcoming, so far. He is unemployed maybe he is just stupid.
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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #244 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:13pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:15pm:

Also Avram - you say you arent in gaza but you are still blockading them

http://www.newsday.com/news/world/aid-groups-ask-israel-lift-gaza-blockade-1.378...

Quote:

GAZA CITY -- Fifty international aid groups and UN agencies urged Israel Thursday to open Gaza's borders, saying its border blockade violates international law and indiscriminately harms Gaza's 1.6 million people.

The appeal was issued on the fifth anniversary of the imposition of the blockade, triggered by the violent takeover of Gaza by the Islamic militant Hamas in June 2007.

Two years ago, Israel started allowing imports of most consumer goods, but continues to ban virtually all Gaza exports and travel through Israeli crossings.

Israel has said the blockade is meant to prevent Hamas from building up its military arsenal and Gaza militants from carrying out attacks on Israel. The Hamas founding charter calls for the destruction of Israel and over its 25-year history the group has killed hundreds of Israelis in shootings and bombings.

International aid agencies say, however, that the blockade mainly punishes ordinary Gazans by crippling the territory's economy, forcing foreign donors to spend money on humanitarian relief instead of investing in the economy.

"What Gaza needs is real development, but because of the blockade we are obliged to concentrate on humanitarian work," Filippo Grandi, head of the UN Relief and Works Agency, told reporters in Gaza yesterday. Grandi's group is Gaza's biggest foreign agency, supporting some 1.2 million refugees and their descendants in the territory.

Spending on emergency needs, such as food and medicine, does not address fundamental problems, Grandi said. "In fact, it's a waste of money, but a waste we are obliged to make because of the blockade," he added.

He said his agency is running low on funds and, among other things, had to cancel its popular summer camps for tens of thousands of Gaza children.

In its six-decade history in Gaza, the agency's main roles have been supplying refugees with basic food products and operating schools.

One-third of Gaza's labor force is unemployed, and exports are at only 5 percent of what they were in 2007, he said.

The easing of import restrictions spurred some growth, but mainly because Gaza started from a very low baseline, Grandi said, noting that the per capita GDP in 2011 remained at 10 percent below the 2005 level.

About 60 percent of Gazans are under 18 and youth unemployment stands at 51 percent, according to UN figures.

SOB

Egypt has a border with the Gaza strip so why are the Egyptians contributing to this blockade of Gaza?

Why do you single Israel out when Egypt is also contributing to the blockade of Gaza?

Are you a muslim SOB or do you just parrot Islamic propaganda, why is it ok for muslim Egypt to blockade Gaza without criticism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

Well the article didnt mention egypt. Egypt blockading them isnt any goods either but it doesnt excuse israel.

SOB

So why are you excusing Egypt for blockading Gaza?

It would not be possible to impose a blockade on Gaza without the help of Egypt.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #245 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:17pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:15pm:

Also Avram - you say you arent in gaza but you are still blockading them

http://www.newsday.com/news/world/aid-groups-ask-israel-lift-gaza-blockade-1.378...

Quote:

GAZA CITY -- Fifty international aid groups and UN agencies urged Israel Thursday to open Gaza's borders, saying its border blockade violates international law and indiscriminately harms Gaza's 1.6 million people.

The appeal was issued on the fifth anniversary of the imposition of the blockade, triggered by the violent takeover of Gaza by the Islamic militant Hamas in June 2007.

Two years ago, Israel started allowing imports of most consumer goods, but continues to ban virtually all Gaza exports and travel through Israeli crossings.

Israel has said the blockade is meant to prevent Hamas from building up its military arsenal and Gaza militants from carrying out attacks on Israel. The Hamas founding charter calls for the destruction of Israel and over its 25-year history the group has killed hundreds of Israelis in shootings and bombings.

International aid agencies say, however, that the blockade mainly punishes ordinary Gazans by crippling the territory's economy, forcing foreign donors to spend money on humanitarian relief instead of investing in the economy.

"What Gaza needs is real development, but because of the blockade we are obliged to concentrate on humanitarian work," Filippo Grandi, head of the UN Relief and Works Agency, told reporters in Gaza yesterday. Grandi's group is Gaza's biggest foreign agency, supporting some 1.2 million refugees and their descendants in the territory.

Spending on emergency needs, such as food and medicine, does not address fundamental problems, Grandi said. "In fact, it's a waste of money, but a waste we are obliged to make because of the blockade," he added.

He said his agency is running low on funds and, among other things, had to cancel its popular summer camps for tens of thousands of Gaza children.

In its six-decade history in Gaza, the agency's main roles have been supplying refugees with basic food products and operating schools.

One-third of Gaza's labor force is unemployed, and exports are at only 5 percent of what they were in 2007, he said.

The easing of import restrictions spurred some growth, but mainly because Gaza started from a very low baseline, Grandi said, noting that the per capita GDP in 2011 remained at 10 percent below the 2005 level.

About 60 percent of Gazans are under 18 and youth unemployment stands at 51 percent, according to UN figures.

SOB

Egypt has a border with the Gaza strip so why are the Egyptians contributing to this blockade of Gaza?

Why do you single Israel out when Egypt is also contributing to the blockade of Gaza?

Are you a muslim SOB or do you just parrot Islamic propaganda, why is it ok for muslim Egypt to blockade Gaza without criticism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

Well the article didnt mention egypt. Egypt blockading them isnt any goods either but it doesnt excuse israel.

SOB

So why are you excusing Egypt for blockading Gaza?

It would not be possible to impose a blockade on Gaza without the help of Egypt.

Why are you illiterate? Where did i excuse egypt? Oh i made a typo i meant "good" not "goods". Guess you didnt understand something so simple as a typo. Well now you know. Egypt blockading gaza isnt any good either. It doesnt excuse israel.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #246 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 10:08pm

Spot can you answer the question? It is easy to criticise Israel, but unless you can suggest a realistic alternative for them it is empty.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

Spot how would you suggest that Israel handle Hamas?

Recoginise them as a legitimate armed force.

Which would mean what? I don't see how official recognition would change their behaviour or change Israel's behaviour towards Hamas.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #248 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:59am

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

Spot can you answer the question? It is easy to criticise Israel, but unless you can suggest a realistic alternative for them it is empty.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

Spot how would you suggest that Israel handle Hamas?

Recoginise them as a legitimate armed force.

Which would mean what? I don't see how official recognition would change their behaviour or change Israel's behaviour towards Hamas.

Sign a peace agreement. Actually stick to a ceasefire. Stop building on westbank. Let the prisoners go.

When is someone going to answer my question?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26506 Australia	Re: Israel and the Palestinians Reply #250 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:27am Heh well yeah israel considers hamas "terrorists" and so wont deal with them. That is not conducive to peace. When is someone going to answer my question about the prisoners? Where are they from? Gaza? West bank? Both? Avram you should know. SOB
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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #251 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:53am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:27am:

Heh well yeah israel considers hamas "terrorists" and so wont deal with them. That is not conducive to peace.

When is someone going to answer my question about the prisoners? Where are they from? Gaza? West bank? Both? Avram you should know.

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You don't exactly 'deal' with terrorists whose stated aim is your destruction.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #252 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 9:44am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:59am:

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

Spot can you answer the question? It is easy to criticise Israel, but unless you can suggest a realistic alternative for them it is empty.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

Spot how would you suggest that Israel handle Hamas?

Recoginise them as a legitimate armed force.

Which would mean what? I don't see how official recognition would change their behaviour or change Israel's behaviour towards Hamas.

Sign a peace agreement. Actually stick to a ceasefire. Stop building on westbank. Let the prisoners go.

When is someone going to answer my question?

SOB

That's kind of naive don't you think? What is the point of a peace agreement with an organisation that only exists to destroy you, and that only sees a peace agreement as a chance to organise the next attack? Do you think Hamas would start being nice then?

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #253 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 10:20am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:27am:

Heh well yeah israel considers hamas "terrorists" and so wont deal with them. That is not conducive to peace.

When is someone going to answer my question about the prisoners? Where are they from? Gaza? West bank? Both? Avram you should know.

SOB

You don't exactly 'deal' with terrorists whose stated aim is your destruction.

If hamas is trying to have peace talks israel should talk to them. They are angry (rightly) but how long ago did they last state their aim was to destroy israel? Hmmm? And why did they say it? What did israel do to them to cause them to say it?

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #254 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 10:20am

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:59am:

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

Spot can you answer the question? It is easy to criticise Israel, but unless you can suggest a realistic alternative for them it is empty.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

Spot how would you suggest that Israel handle Hamas?

Recoginise them as a legitimate armed force.

Which would mean what? I don't see how official recognition would change their behaviour or change Israel's behaviour towards Hamas.

Sign a peace agreement. Actually stick to a ceasefire. Stop building on westbank. Let the prisoners go.

When is someone going to answer my question?

SOB

That's kind of naive don't you think? What is the point of a peace agreement with an organisation that only exists to destroy you, and that only sees a peace agreement as a chance to organise the next attack? Do you think Hamas would start being nice then?

More lies from Freeliar?

Quote:

Hamas Foreign Minister: We Accept Two-State Solution With '67 Borders

Hamas' Deputy Foreign Minister Ghazi Hamad told NPR's Robert Siegel that the Islamic political party has accepted a two-state solution that respects the 1967 borders.

Robert asked Hamad in a very straight forward way: "If Israel were to accept a two-state solution in which Palestine would be in Gaza and the West Bank and have its capital in Jerusalem, is that an acceptable aim that Hamas is striving for or is that in and of itself insufficient because there would still be a state of Israel?"

"Look, we said, frankly, we accept the state and '67 borders. This was mentioned many times and we repeated many times," said Hamad...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/05/24/136403918/hamas-foreign-minister-...

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