Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Poll Poll
Question: What should be done about Israel/Palestinians?



« Last Modified by: Sir Spot of Borg on: Jun 12th, 2012 at 9:37am »

Pages: 1 ... 16 17 18 19 20 ... 23
Send Topic Print
Israel and the Palestinians (Read 39217 times)
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48931
At my desk.
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #255 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 10:43am
 
Does Hamas still have a charter calling for the destruction of Israel?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
falah
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3162
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #256 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 11:13am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 10:43am:
Does Hamas still have a charter calling for the destruction of Israel?


You make the overthrow of the Israeli regime sound sinister.

I would liken it to the Allies overthrowing the Nazi regime in WWII.



Back to top
 

Nothing is worthy of worship except God Almighty - our Creator!
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48931
At my desk.
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #257 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 11:22am
 
Quote:
You make the overthrow of the Israeli regime sound sinister.


It is sinister, especially if at the same time you are demanding the Israeli regime sign a peace treaty you concocted.

Perhaps stupid is a better word than sinister. But at least you fooled spot. Well done.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 21725
A cat with a view
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #258 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 12:52pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 8:53am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 8:27am:

Heh well yeah israel considers hamas "terrorists" and so wont deal with them.

That is not conducive to peace.



SOB



You don't exactly 'deal' with terrorists whose stated aim is your destruction.





An Israeli delegation and the Hamas delegation meet, for 'peace' talks.



Israeli delegation; Hello.

Hamas delegation; [silence]


Israeli delegation; We would like to have a cessation of hostilities with Hamas. How can that be a acheived ?

Hamas delegation; Simple. Put down your Zionist weapons. And let Hamas enter Palestine.


Israeli delegation; And then we [the Israeli people] will have peace with Hamas ?

Hamas delegation; Sure.


Israeli delegation; But Hamas will still have its own weapons ?

Hamas delegation; Yes.


Israeli delegation; So how will such a circumstance secure a peace between Hamas the Israeli people ?

Hamas delegation; Sorry, who ?


Israeli delegation; How can we secure a peace between Hamas the Israeli people ?

Hamas delegation; No, sorry. You have it all wrong. You have misunderstood. Hamas will take possession of Palestine. And, after that happens, there will no longer be any conflict with the Israeli people.


Israeli delegation; Then, how will this peace be achieved between Hamas the Israeli people ?

Hamas delegation; Oh that. That is easy. There won't be any conflict between Hamas and the Israeli people, because there will no longer be any Israeli people living, errr, in Palestine.      ...Now, when exactly can we both begin to impliment this peace plan ? When are you Jews going to lay down your weapons ? Errr, you do want peace with Hamas, don't you ?




+++

Google;
palestinians, the destruction of israel is our



+++


"If the Arabs (Muslims) put down their weapons today there would be no more violence.
If the Israelis put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel."

Shira Sorko-Ram   Maoz Israel newsletter May 2004
cited
http://www.wildolive.co.uk/quotes.htm





IMAGE...
...
"Why won't those wicked, greedy, Zionists let the Palestinians have just a little more of Palestine ?
Don't the Zionists want peace ???"

/sarc off

Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Spot of Borg
Gold Member
*****
Offline


WE ARE BORG

Posts: 26506
Australia
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #259 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 12:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 11:22am:
Quote:
You make the overthrow of the Israeli regime sound sinister.


It is sinister, especially if at the same time you are demanding the Israeli regime sign a peace treaty you concocted.

Perhaps stupid is a better word than sinister. But at least you fooled spot. Well done.



you really are stupid if you think israel wants peace @ all. Where exactly did someone "fool" me btw? Hmmmm?

SOB
Back to top
 

Whaaaaaah!
I'm a 
Moron!
- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope
WWW PoliticsAneReligion  
IP Logged
 
Sir Spot of Borg
Gold Member
*****
Offline


WE ARE BORG

Posts: 26506
Australia
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #260 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 1:01pm
 
They want the "1967" borders whatever those are. My guess is they include gaza and west bank.

SOB
Back to top
 

Whaaaaaah!
I'm a 
Moron!
- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope
WWW PoliticsAneReligion  
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48931
At my desk.
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #261 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 1:04pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 1:01pm:
They want the "1967" borders whatever those are. My guess is they include gaza and west bank.

SOB


Their charter calls for the complete destruction of Israel. What do you think they really want Spot? How is it anything less than naive to think they would settle with small concessions? Do you really think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be resolved by guessing what people want? How is that any different to simply making stuff up?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
falah
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3162
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #262 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 4:02pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 12:52pm:


Yadda, if I know that the bank holds millions of dollars, and I only steal a couple of grand from it, do you think they will let me off because I didn't steal much?
Back to top
 

Nothing is worthy of worship except God Almighty - our Creator!
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 21725
A cat with a view
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #263 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 4:35pm
 
falah wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

Yadda, if I know that the bank holds millions of dollars, and I only steal a couple of grand from it, do you think they will let me off because I didn't steal much?




falah,

If someone steals my wallet with $200 in it, and if the police arrest the thief, and they find my wallet [with my name inside], will the police let the thief keep my wallet and money, OR, will the police return my wallet and money, to its proper owner ?i
The land of Israel IS the ancient homeland of the Jewish people.

Everyone knows that.

The Jewish people were dispossessed of their ancient homeland, by moslems, and otehrs.

Everyone knows that.

The Turkish caliphate took possession of and administered what we know as land of Israel [and other lands in the region].

Everyone knows that.

Turkey lost possession of its territories, including the land of Israel, post WWI.

Everyone knows that.




falah,

Q.
Why can't moslems accept that the Jewish people now have their ancient homeland back ?

Q.
Why do moslems insist in persecuting the Jewish people, and denying the Jewish people the right to merely live in what >> is << their own ancient homeland ?

...



A.
Coz moslems are tight, miserable, mendacious, grouches who have hearts of stone.

e.g.
The moslems won't even take in their own poor people, but make poor moslems live in refugee camps.

<---   AND THAT, IS HOW MEAN MOSLEMS ARE!!!




Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48931
At my desk.
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #264 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 5:46pm
 
falah wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 4:02pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 12:52pm:


Yadda, if I know that the bank holds millions of dollars, and I only steal a couple of grand from it, do you think they will let me off because I didn't steal much?


Falah you are completely missing the point, again. Islam does not actually own any of the land. It is this whole mindset that the graphic is making fun of. Without the whole "how dare Jews have their own country in a Muslim area" issue the problem would have been resolved decades ago. It would have never even started.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
bobbythefap1
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 7026
Listen now to the rain
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #265 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 5:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 5:46pm:
falah wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 4:02pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 12:52pm:


Yadda, if I know that the bank holds millions of dollars, and I only steal a couple of grand from it, do you think they will let me off because I didn't steal much?


Falah you are completely missing the point, again. Islam does not actually own any of the land. It is this whole mindset that the graphic is making fun of.

Under our corrupt system they do not but what validity does that hold?
Back to top
 

A day without sunshine is like night.
 
IP Logged
 
falah
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3162
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #266 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 5:53pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 4:35pm:
The Jewish people were dispossessed of their ancient homeland, by moslems, and otehrs.

Everyone knows that...


Yadda, you have a very poor understanding of Middle East history.


The Jews were expelled from Palestine by the pagan Roman Empire 2000 years ago.



Jews were allowed to return centuries later after Arab Muslims liberated Palestine from the Romans who had become Christian but still hated the Jews.

Christians, Jews and muslims lived together in Palestine under Islamic rule, and their property rights were respected for centuries.


There was no land-stealing done apart from the Christian crusaders who stole land in Palestine for a while.

When the Crusaders were expelled, once again, Muslim, Jews and Christians lived together peacefuly under Islamic rule, and their property rights were respected.


Then, in the 20th century, Zionist Jews invaded Palestine and began stealing land and forcing Christians and Muslims to flee.

Like the Christian crusaders, the Zionist Jews often killed innocent civilians which caused many Christians and Muslims to leave their homes in terror.

The Jews stole land, houses and farms and bulldozed mosques, churches and graveyards to make way for their land stealing.



Yadda, why do Jews have to steal people's homes in order to return to Palestine?



Quote:
The Israeli government adopted in 1950 the Law of Return to facilitate Jewish immigration to Israel and the absorption of Jewish refugees. Israel's Absentees' Property Law of March 1950 transferred the property rights of absentee owners to a government-appointed Custodian of Absentee Property, effectively legalizing the confiscation of lands belonging to the Palestinian refugees who fled or were expelled from the area that became Israel in 1948. It was also used to confiscate the lands of Arab citizens of Israel who "are present inside the state, yet classified in law as 'absent'."[10] The number of "present-absentees" or internally displaced Palestinians from among the 1.2 million Arab citizens of Israel is estimated (in 2001) to be 200,000, or some 20% of the total Palestinian Arab population in Israel.[10] Salman Abu-Sitta estimates that between 1948 and 2003 more than 1,000 square kilometers (390 sq mi) of land was expropriated from Arab citizens of Israel....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Day





Yadda, why did the Zionist Jews need to wipe out 400 Christian and Muslim towns and villages?



Why did Zionist Jews need to force 711,000 out of around 900,000 Christians and Muslims out of occupied Palestine in 1948?


Could it be because the Zionist Jews are greedy grubby land thieves?
Back to top
 

Nothing is worthy of worship except God Almighty - our Creator!
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48931
At my desk.
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #267 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 6:06pm
 
Quote:
between 1948 and 2003 more than 1,000 square kilometers (390 sq mi) of land was expropriated from Arab citizens of Israel....


Falah didn't you try to tell me recently about a farm that was "only" 5000 square kilometers?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
falah
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3162
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #268 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 6:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 6:06pm:
Quote:
between 1948 and 2003 more than 1,000 square kilometers (390 sq mi) of land was expropriated from Arab citizens of Israel....


Falah didn't you try to tell me recently about a farm that was "only" 5000 square kilometers?




That is land stolen from Christians and Muslims who hold Israeli citizenship! The amount stolen from Christians and Muslims who were not given Israeli citizenship is far greater.
Back to top
 

Nothing is worthy of worship except God Almighty - our Creator!
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Spot of Borg
Gold Member
*****
Offline


WE ARE BORG

Posts: 26506
Australia
Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #269 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 6:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 1:04pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 1:01pm:
They want the "1967" borders whatever those are. My guess is they include gaza and west bank.

SOB


Their charter calls for the complete destruction of Israel. What do you think they really want Spot? How is it anything less than naive to think they would settle with small concessions? Do you really think the Israeli-Palestine conflict can be resolved by guessing what people want? How is that any different to simply making stuff up?


Thats what you are doing. They say they want 1967 borders. You say they dont. Who is right? Seems to me the ones that are refusing to talk are the ones in the wrong.

SOB
Back to top
 

Whaaaaaah!
I'm a 
Moron!
- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope
WWW PoliticsAneReligion  
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 16 17 18 19 20 ... 23
Send Topic Print