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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #90 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 10:46am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

That link doesnt load. I tried "allowing" the site but too many 3rd party scripts - not safe.

Just tell me. Was it fair? Did it say that israel would cease hostilities? Release the prisoners? Stop the killing and bulldozing?

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Ok, try this one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #91 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:02am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

That link doesnt load. I tried "allowing" the site but too many 3rd party scripts - not safe.

Just tell me. Was it fair? Did it say that israel would cease hostilities? Release the prisoners? Stop the killing and bulldozing?

SOB

Ok, try this one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

It doesnt tell me any of those questions. What is your point? That the un voted against it? That the un voted for it? It doesnt seem to address anything thats happening now. Tell me what your point with bringing it up was.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #92 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:11am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:30am:

Why don't you criticise Hamas suicide bombers?

They are giving their lives to free their ppl. And how do you know they are "hamas" anyway? Did they tell you before they died? Or were they just freedom fighters from Gaza doing it on their own accord? You dont know. you think you do but you dont know for sure.

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Including the guy who stepped onto a bus of women and children in downtown Jerusalem and set off a bomb loaded with ball bearings and nails to cause maximum casualties?

Amongst the dead were 15 aged under 12 years of age, a pregnant woman and a 2 year old.

This attack was claimed by Hamas and hailed the man who did it as a martyr.

You believe this was an action to be applauded and they are doing it to save his people?

If you do, then you are sick.

Do not reply about "the Jews do this or that", I am asking you about this incident that occurred in Jerusalem.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #93 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:13am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

That link doesnt load. I tried "allowing" the site but too many 3rd party scripts - not safe.

Just tell me. Was it fair? Did it say that israel would cease hostilities? Release the prisoners? Stop the killing and bulldozing?

SOB

Ok, try this one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

It doesnt tell me any of those questions. What is your point? That the un voted against it? That the un voted for it? It doesnt seem to address anything thats happening now. Tell me what your point with bringing it up was.

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My point was, IF the Arab League hadn't rejected the UN Partition Plan in 1947, then there would have been 2 states of roughly equal size in the area, one Jewish and one Arab, and the various wars would not have happened....

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #94 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:28am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

That link doesnt load. I tried "allowing" the site but too many 3rd party scripts - not safe.

Just tell me. Was it fair? Did it say that israel would cease hostilities? Release the prisoners? Stop the killing and bulldozing?

SOB

Ok, try this one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

It doesnt tell me any of those questions. What is your point? That the un voted against it? That the un voted for it? It doesnt seem to address anything thats happening now. Tell me what your point with bringing it up was.

SOB

My point was, IF the Arab League hadn't rejected the UN Partition Plan in 1947, then there would have been 2 states of roughly equal size in the area, one Jewish and one Arab, and the various wars would not have happened....

Yeah but the actual plan isnt outlined there. There was prolly something unfair in it but even if there wasnt it was 1947. a lot has changed since then and you would think they would have worked it out @ the time.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #95 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:31am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:28am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

That link doesnt load. I tried "allowing" the site but too many 3rd party scripts - not safe.

Just tell me. Was it fair? Did it say that israel would cease hostilities? Release the prisoners? Stop the killing and bulldozing?

SOB

Ok, try this one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

It doesnt tell me any of those questions. What is your point? That the un voted against it? That the un voted for it? It doesnt seem to address anything thats happening now. Tell me what your point with bringing it up was.

SOB

My point was, IF the Arab League hadn't rejected the UN Partition Plan in 1947, then there would have been 2 states of roughly equal size in the area, one Jewish and one Arab, and the various wars would not have happened....

Yeah but the actual plan isnt outlined there. There was prolly something unfair in it but even if there wasnt it was 1947. a lot has changed since then and you would think they would have worked it out @ the time.

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It was unfair.....to the Jewish people....the Arabs would have ended up with something like 77% of land

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #96 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:32am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:30am:

Why don't you criticise Hamas suicide bombers?

They are giving their lives to free their ppl. And how do you know they are "hamas" anyway? Did they tell you before they died? Or were they just freedom fighters from Gaza doing it on their own accord? You dont know. you think you do but you dont know for sure.

SOB

Including the guy who stepped onto a bus of women and children in downtown Jerusalem and set off a bomb loaded with ball bearings and nails to cause maximum casualties?

Amongst the dead were 15 aged under 12 years of age, a pregnant woman and a 2 year old.

This attack was claimed by Hamas and hailed the man who did it as a martyr.

You believe this was an action to be applauded and they are doing it to save his people?

If you do, then you are sick.

Do not reply about "the Jews do this or that", I am asking you about this incident that occurred in Jerusalem.

Well aside from the fact that this is completely off topic and I dont know anything about it because it is a specific incident . . . .

I dont know. I dont know the details. Why did hamas think this was necessary? What did the jews in israel do to them that caused them to need to resort to this? you arent going to tell me. You only see 1 side. I doubt anyone would do this for no reason though as you want me to believe.

Of course its bad that children died. However how many children have the israelis killed? How about those 2 apartment blocks? How about rachel corrie? Seems to me a lot more of the refugee children are killed than israeli ones.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Israel and the Palestinians Reply #97 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 12:13pm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmuel_HaNavi_bus_bombing knock yourself out. Women and children deliberately killed by suicide bomber. Disgusting isn't it? "Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack."
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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #99 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 12:32pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmuel_HaNavi_bus_bombing

knock yourself out.

Women and children deliberately killed by suicide bomber.

Disgusting isn't it?

"Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack."

you dont even have the decency to make it a link huh.

Well it doesnt say in that article why they did it. This is the thing they always have a reason but we arent told. Israel knows why though I expect. "Terrorists" and "freedom fighters" always let their demands be known but the recipients like to deny it and say they are doing it for no reason. Remember Bush tried to say the 11/9 things were for no reason @ all but it came out later that there was a reason. We will never know the whole story though.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Israel and the Palestinians Reply #100 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 1:07pm You are not concerned that a guy deliberately gets on a bus carrying pregnant women and little children and blows it up? You don't think this is a despicable act?
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Reply #101 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 1:12pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

You are not concerned that a guy deliberately gets on a bus carrying pregnant women and little children and blows it up?

You don't think this is a despicable act?

Do you ever read back in a thread before launching your attack?

It has nothing to do with the topic though since it is a single incident with not enough information.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #102 - Jun 8^th, 2012 at 10:15am

Here we go again

Yeah israel really wants peace huh. So much so that they are planning on building more settlements on west bank.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-build-850-apartments-west-b...

Its too long to paste just click on the link and read it. I chose the ABC for the story but there were lots of other choices. ABC seemed the least objectionable.

Heres a couple more sources for those who want to be a dick

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/08/palestinians-mull-non-member-state-statu...

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-government-officials-rightists-hold...

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=273120

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26509 Australia	Re: Israel and the Palestinians Reply #103 - Jun 9^th, 2012 at 7:40am So nobody wants to address this? Instead you prefer to quote me out of context and distract from the topics? SOB
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Reply #104 - Jun 9^th, 2012 at 11:16am

When you take just an anti-Israel view then your view is not unbias and you do not sound credit worthy.

You also have admitted so many times, you dont know the situation very well.
You ignore the history of Arabs consistently attacking Israel and setting off suicide bombs.

When you show some sense of unbias and stop criticise just Israel then maybe people will also believe you are more sense worthy.

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