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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #120 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 7:40pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 4:39pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 3:23pm:
It's from the article you used Gandalf.


Correct - and it says she was wed at age 6, a point that no one disputed


And broken at 9.

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The most logical conclusion from the available evidence is that Muhammed had sex with the little girl before she reached puberty.


um no.
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OK you got me there Gandalf.

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I have no idea if he had sex with children or not, FD.


Not that there's anything wrong with that, right Brian?

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Your entire reasoning is framed in your own moral milieu.


Tell me Brian, if I joined NAMBLA, or traveled to Thailand or some Muslim country where everyone else is doing it, would it then be OK for me to have sex with children?

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You have to first determine what Arabian society 1400 years ago considered a "child".


No I don't. We are speaking English Brian. She was 6 years old when she was married off to the 50 plus year old man next door. She was a child, by any definition, despite the protestations from Muslims such as Gandalf that the marriage was based on mutual love and respect.

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Finally you have to determine if it was forbidden by their laws, FD.   You've done none of that


Yes I have. It just flew right over your head. Muhammed made the laws. He made it legal to rape children. Therefor it was legal. All good eh Brian?

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No, today it isn't in Australia to have sex with someone below the age of consent.  Your question however, if directed to what Mohammed did 1400 years ago, is pointless, FD.


So why have you been rabbiting on about Muhammed's motivations for having sex with children? What was your point?

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Moreover, how can children today, suffer because of a man who died 1400 years ago?
 

I know you can figure this one out for yourself Brian, being a genius and all (not that there's anything wrong with that).
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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #121 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 7:42pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 6:38pm:
moses wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 6:35pm:
Hiding from your question **How can children today, suffer because of a man who died 1400 years ago?**

and the obvious answer: Because muslims today invoke the example of muhammad as their vindication for child brides (child sex = rape).


No, Moses you're playing the same card that the Muslims of today who commit these alleged crimes do - you're blaming a man who's been dead 1400 years for what they have done.  You're actually providing them with an excuse.  It is you who is being the apologist.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

He is not just a man dead these 1400 years.
he is Allah's final and definitive messenger. And there are hundreds of million of people today who actually believe that.

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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #122 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 8:34pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 7:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 6:38pm:
moses wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 6:35pm:
Hiding from your question **How can children today, suffer because of a man who died 1400 years ago?**

and the obvious answer: Because muslims today invoke the example of muhammad as their vindication for child brides (child sex = rape).


No, Moses you're playing the same card that the Muslims of today who commit these alleged crimes do - you're blaming a man who's been dead 1400 years for what they have done.  You're actually providing them with an excuse.  It is you who is being the apologist.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

He is not just a man dead these 1400 years.
he is Allah's final and definitive messenger. And there are hundreds of million of people today who actually believe that.


And so they are all Paedophiles, Soren?

All ready at a moment's notice with their axes behind their back?

Sorry, you're just displaying how really much of an Islamophobe you are, Soren.

Next you'll be back to talking about faeces again.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #123 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 8:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 12:02am:
Soren wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 10:52pm:
The reality is we don't know that Mohammed married Aisha for reasons of Paedophilia.  Such marriages were, as I've shown, quite commonplace even in Europe.   Therefore, to try and claim he was a Paedophile is wrong IMO.  You have no evidence as to what his motivations were or even if the story as to her age was accurate, Bobby.   Roll Eyes





We do not hold it up as God's final message to man for all eternity - diddle 9 year olds - 12 year olds -  as long as they have bled.

You horrible, dishonest apologist.



You really do have problems with being objective about Muslims and Islam, don't you, Soren?   Nope, no bigotry there at all.   Roll Eyes

I am objective.

Islamic doctrines are disgusting and despicable on women, Jews, nonMuslims; stupid on most other things. It is a stupid AND dangerous ideology. You are free to choose it or reject it in the West.

Not so in 'Muslim lands' - another despicable thing about it.

Islam is an ideology FREELY chosen, embraced, propagated and FREELY rejected, mocked and dismissed. It has NO special claim for special treatment, respect, protection.






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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #124 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 9:12pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 8:34pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 7:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 6:38pm:
moses wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 6:35pm:
Hiding from your question **How can children today, suffer because of a man who died 1400 years ago?**

and the obvious answer: Because muslims today invoke the example of muhammad as their vindication for child brides (child sex = rape).


No, Moses you're playing the same card that the Muslims of today who commit these alleged crimes do - you're blaming a man who's been dead 1400 years for what they have done.  You're actually providing them with an excuse.  It is you who is being the apologist.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

He is not just a man dead these 1400 years.
he is Allah's final and definitive messenger. And there are hundreds of million of people today who actually believe that.


And so they are all Paedophiles, Soren?


Insofar as they accept Mohammed's example - yes.

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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #125 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 11:40pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 8:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 12:02am:
Soren wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 10:52pm:
The reality is we don't know that Mohammed married Aisha for reasons of Paedophilia.  Such marriages were, as I've shown, quite commonplace even in Europe.   Therefore, to try and claim he was a Paedophile is wrong IMO.  You have no evidence as to what his motivations were or even if the story as to her age was accurate, Bobby.   Roll Eyes





We do not hold it up as God's final message to man for all eternity - diddle 9 year olds - 12 year olds -  as long as they have bled.

You horrible, dishonest apologist.



You really do have problems with being objective about Muslims and Islam, don't you, Soren?   Nope, no bigotry there at all.   Roll Eyes

I am objective.


I think you don't know the meaning of the word, Soren.   Roll Eyes


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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #126 - Nov 24th, 2014 at 11:47am
 
Soren wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 8:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 12:02am:
Soren wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 10:52pm:
The reality is we don't know that Mohammed married Aisha for reasons of Paedophilia.  Such marriages were, as I've shown, quite commonplace even in Europe.   Therefore, to try and claim he was a Paedophile is wrong IMO.  You have no evidence as to what his motivations were or even if the story as to her age was accurate, Bobby.   Roll Eyes





We do not hold it up as God's final message to man for all eternity - diddle 9 year olds - 12 year olds -  as long as they have bled.

You horrible, dishonest apologist.



You really do have problems with being objective about Muslims and Islam, don't you, Soren?   Nope, no bigotry there at all.   Roll Eyes

I am objective.


You, objective?   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Thank you, Soren, I needed a laugh to start my day.  Ever thought of a career in comedy?  I mean the build up to the punch line has been slow but it's been worth the wait!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #127 - Nov 24th, 2014 at 2:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote: Quote:
No, Moses you're playing the same card that the Muslims of today who commit these alleged crimes do - you're blaming a man who's been dead 1400 years for what they have done.  You're actually providing them with an excuse.  It is you who is being the apologist.


Are you saying that muhammad is not an example for modern muslims to follow?

If you are, then why are you against exposing the deeds of muhammad which should not be followed, so that muslims may see the error of their child sex?

Exactly where do you stand?
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Reply #128 - Nov 24th, 2014 at 3:31pm
 
moses wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 2:34pm:
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No, Moses you're playing the same card that the Muslims of today who commit these alleged crimes do - you're blaming a man who's been dead 1400 years for what they have done.  You're actually providing them with an excuse.  It is you who is being the apologist.


Are you saying that muhammad is not an example for modern muslims to follow?


Are you?

Muslims follow the prophesies and ideas allegedly revealled to Muhammed by the Archangel Gabriel.

I know of no Muslim who advocates marrying children because Mo did it. In fact, all the Australian Muslim leaders came out to condemn child marriage when a student from Pakistan recently married a 14 year old Australian girl.

Muhammed's 7th century lifestyle choices are not an example for modern Muslims to follow. If you ask, they'll tell you things were a little different in 7th century Arabia. The idea that all Muslims have paedophilic tendencies because one of Muhammed's wives was a child is so out there it could only be argued here.

If you want to hear the most surreal and fantastical leaps of logic, come to this board. Personally, I do, and I am always given a jolly good chuckle.

It is a jolly world, after all.
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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #129 - Nov 24th, 2014 at 4:02pm
 
So muslims don't invoke the example of muhammad when they marry / rape children?
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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #130 - Nov 24th, 2014 at 4:15pm
 
moses wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 4:02pm:
So muslims don't invoke the example of muhammad when they marry / rape children?


Good question, Moses. Perhaps someone can provide an answer to this important question.

After all, we recently had a child marriage epidemic in Australia. It turned out all the statistics were "defacto" marriages, and strangely in rural (and largely Aboriginal) areas.

Stranger still, none of them invoked the example of Muhammed on their Census forms.

Google: taqiyya.
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Reply #131 - Nov 24th, 2014 at 4:36pm
 
You could probably take the qur'an as some sort of adjudicator re the age of marrying for muslims.

sura 65 (the divorce) is a chapter dealing with required times for divorced muslim wives to wait before remarrying etc.

65.4:And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease. 

This verse seems very clear to me:

no longer expect menstruation, would mean change of life.

who have not menstruated, would mean little prepubescent girls

And for those who are pregnant, means exactly that pregnant females

Child marriage/rape of little girls is covered in islamic doctrine.
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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #132 - Nov 24th, 2014 at 4:47pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 4:15pm:
Good question, Moses. Perhaps someone can provide an answer to this important question.

After all, we recently had a child marriage epidemic in Australia. It turned out all the statistics were "defacto" marriages, and strangely in rural (and largely Aboriginal) areas.

Stranger still, none of them invoked the example of Muhammed on their Census forms.


True K, but thats not the point. The point that FD demonstrated in that discussion was that muslims expose themselves for the pedophile-loving child abusers that they are by what they don't say.
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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #133 - Nov 24th, 2014 at 5:02pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 11:47am:
You, objective?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


WOW?

What a truly uninspiring piece of human excreta, do you defecate in public often?   
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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #134 - Nov 24th, 2014 at 6:44pm
 
moses wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 2:34pm:
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No, Moses you're playing the same card that the Muslims of today who commit these alleged crimes do - you're blaming a man who's been dead 1400 years for what they have done.  You're actually providing them with an excuse.  It is you who is being the apologist.


Are you saying that muhammad is not an example for modern muslims to follow?


No, I am saying that Muslims may follow what they believe is the example of Mohammed but that still does not excuse them breaking the law.  They can point all they like to the (supposed) example of Mohammed but it won't amount to much of a defence in an Australian court.

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If you are, then why are you against exposing the deeds of muhammad which should not be followed, so that muslims may see the error of their child sex?

Exactly where do you stand?


I'm not against exposing any deeds but such deeds must be considered in the context of the legal, social and moral milieu of the day, Moses.  Just as the events surrounding Jesus Christ should be considered in the context WRT to Roman occupied Palestine.   They cannot be judged through the lense of  21st Century Western morals.

I've provided a long list of European marriages from the same period.  Were they all committed by Paedophiles, Moses?

We have at best, circumstantial evidence about Mohammed's relationship with Aisha.   You can't provide any definitive proof nor can you actually show what he did was immoral or illegal by the standards of those days, 1400 years ago.

By all means, condemn Muslims who marry child brides today.  You won't get an argument from me.
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