Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:


Which Christian doctrine says that women are worth half a man in law or that Jews must be killed off as are those who leave Christianity, non-Christians to be killed or taxed extra and humiliated? Which Christian doctrine teaches deception?
I am not aware of such Christian doctrines.  Nor are you. They do not exist. 
As the emperor said to the Muslim: ""Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."


Differences between the Western and Muslims world are genuine and obvious, in law, family relations, politics, outlook, regard to reason, art, science. These differences stem from huge differences between Christianity and Islam.

Karnal wrote on Nov 24^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:


Why not accept both?  That way you get twice the value!   

Gandalf, at what age do these references say Aisha went through puberty? 15?

moses wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:


What?  For the Jews as well?  What about Yadda?  He quotes extensively from the Old Testament.  Were they superseded for him and his fellow Christian fundamentalists?   

moses wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:


Good point. So why - if all those Muselmen are child marriers/rapists based on the advice of their sinister prophet - do the Israelis have a minimum age for marriage despite what their prophets said and did?

I'm confused. Is there any way you could set me straight on this?

Remember, your entire argument about the dastardly deeds of the Muselman is based on the example of his sinister prophet, which you say the Muselman needs to condemn.

Why are the Jews exempt from very similar orders by their equally sinister prophets?

Remember, the Jewish Mother of God consumated her virgin marriage at age 12. Was Joseph a paedophile based on the teachings of his prophets, peace be upon them?

I'm keen to know what you think.

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In 2013, the minimum marriage age in Israel was raised to 18, from a previous age of 17, for females and males.Previously, the marriage age was 18 for males and 17 for females,before they were equalised at 17 years.

The Jews seem perfectly capable of living according to modern day standards.

muslims who still practice child marriage / rape and their supporters who claim the doctrine which urges this child abuse is perfect and final, are unable to modernize. So their children suffer

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Do you have any other way they can realize that the example they are following today is wrong?


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Because they have instituted laws which are modern and relevant, not based on ancient text.

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Give me some doctrinal proof of her age.

moses wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:


Let me answer that one, Moses.

Y is what he calls a "Karmic Christian", by which Y means that people's words and actions have harsh consequences.

Y is against turning the other cheek in most instances, preferring instead to mete out what the Jews called an "eye for an eye". Y does not believe in showing grace to those who offend against Gud's laws. In his words here, Y shows very little grace at all.

I'm not sure what Y thinks about forgiveness. I've never seen him mention this, or quote any passages about it. Most of Y's quotes are Old Testament passages that wreck vengeance against Y's "enemies of Gud", a "jealous" Gud, a "vengeful" Gud, an "awesome" Gud.

Y does not believe Israeli laws override ancient Jewish laws and prophesies. On international and domestic matters, Y believes Israel has a divine get-out-of-jail-free card. He does not believe Israel is subject to any international treaties or laws Israel is signatory to. What matters to Y is his literal interpretation of what was written in the Bible a few thousand years ago. To Y, all other deals are off.

Except when it comes to the words of prophet Yeheshua, the son of Gud. Y doesn't have much to say on them.