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Reply #195 - Nov 27^th, 2014 at 8:46pm

Oh?

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

But you are not. You are full of - drum roll - shite, bluster, idiocy, bad faith. You lack sense: common sense, sense of proportion, sense of what matters.

Good point, old boy. Any chance you could put this in the form of a question?

Why don't you f Vck orf?

Excellent question. You’d like to silence decent white people, wouldn’t you?

I can tell from your question.

No one has the right not to be offended, but we do understand how hard it is for you to remain so offended.

You’re the old boy.

There there.

I don't want to silence you, PB. I just want you to f Vck orf. Keep posting AND f Vck orf.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105802 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream? Reply #196 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm The Inquisition knew what to do with Muslim heretics:
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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream? Reply #197 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 2:36pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm: The Inquisition knew what to do with Muslim heretics: Catch them naked? Give their "maidens" the "iron"?
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Reply #198 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 7:20pm

moses wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 4:29pm:

Brian Ross

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Which Christian doctrine says that women are worth half a man in law or that Jews must be killed off as are those who leave Christianity, non-Christians to be killed or taxed extra and humiliated?

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~2,000 years of Christianity's history, Soren, where Christianity was used to oppress women, non-believers, Jews. You have St.Paul's misogyny, you have the Churches' anti-Semitism, you have the churches advocating and promulgating it's doctrine of "holy war" against the inhabitants of the New World. Soren, Christianity has a long, long, long, history of doing exactly the things you claim it doesn't and it did it often with the contrivance and cooperation of the Church.

Why are you unable to give Christian doctrine which urges anti-Semitism, "holy war" against the inhabitants of the New World etc.?

I am not unable to, Moses, I have merely lacked the time until now.

Christian Doctrine and anti-Semitism? Here are a small selection of web links to explain how steeped Christianity and it's doctrines are in anti-Semitism:

http://jcpa.org/article/the-origins-of-christian-anti-semitism/

http://www.sandrawilliams.org/ANTI/anti-semitism.html

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Christianity_and_antisemitism.html

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/antisemitism.html#Theology

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2009/07/new-testament-anti-semitism/

http://hirr.hartsem.edu/ency/Jewish-Christian.htm

Christian Doctrine that supported "Holy War" against the inhabitants of the New World?

Perhaps the best article on it is these two - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Requirement_of_1513

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requerimiento

however, these others also look at the issue, albeit in slightly different ways:

http://www.shmoop.com/spanish-colonization/religion.html

http://www.historyofjihad.org/reconquista.html

http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/745

All show how Christianity played a significant part in the justification of the Spanish conquest of the New World.

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Reply #199 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

The Inquisition knew what to do with Muslim heretics:

Catch them naked? Give their "maidens" the "iron"?

That video is Bobby's answer to everything it seems. Don't worry, he'll soon start channelling his sockpuppet "Master Light". Roll Eyes

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Reply #200 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 9:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

The Inquisition knew what to do with Muslim heretics:

Catch them naked? Give their "maidens" the "iron"?

That video is Bobby's answer to everything it seems. Don't worry, he'll soon start channelling his sockpuppet "Master Light". Roll Eyes

I do not have a sock puppet & neither am I a sock puppet.

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Reply #201 - Dec 4^th, 2014 at 5:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

Christian Doctrine that supported "Holy War" against the inhabitants of the New World?

Perhaps the best article on it is these two - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Requirement_of_

1513

You have no shame, do you, little Brain?

"Look at the Spanish in 1513!!! Proof that in 2014 the West is indistinguishable from Islam!!!"

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Reply #202 - Dec 4^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

Soren wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

Christian Doctrine that supported "Holy War" against the inhabitants of the New World?

Perhaps the best article on it is these two - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Requirement_of_

1513

You have no shame, do you, little Brain?

"Look at the Spanish in 1513!!! Proof that in 2014 the West is indistinguishable from Islam!!!"

*_SIGH_*, when did Europe colonise the New World, Soren? Roll Eyes

"Holy War" is a concept that you and your fellow Islamophobes like to maintain is only specific to Islam, the reality is that Christianity has a long, long history of it as well, ranging back to before the Crusades right into the 21st century. The American wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were often characterised as being a "crusade" against Islam, both by Islamists and Christians. Forgotten what Sarah Palin said to in 2010?

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"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right also for this country--that our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

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or George W. Bush?

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"We need to go back to work tomorrow and we will. But we need to be alert to the fact that these evil-doers still exist. We haven't seen this kind of barbarism in a long period of time. No one could have conceivably imagined suicide bombers burrowing into our society and then emerging all in the same day to fly their aircraft — fly U.S. aircraft into buildings full of innocent people — and show no remorse. This is a new kind of — a new kind of evil. And we understand. And the American people are beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while.

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Does that sound similar, albeit perhaps milder, to what many of the Jihadis say, Soren? Roll Eyes

Oh, and before you get on your high horse, remember "similar" does not "equal". Grin

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Reply #203 - Dec 4^th, 2014 at 9:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

Christian Doctrine that supported "Holy War" against the inhabitants of the New World?

Perhaps the best article on it is these two - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Requirement_of_

1513

You have no shame, do you, little Brain?

"Look at the Spanish in 1513!!! Proof that in 2014 the West is indistinguishable from Islam!!!"

*_SIGH_*, when did Europe colonise the New World, Soren? Roll Eyes

"Holy War" is a concept that you and your fellow Islamophobes like to maintain is only specific to Islam,

You are inventing stupid shite with every post, Brain, simply to equivocate.

But nobody has ever said that holy war is specific to Islam or that it was invented by Islam. You come up with this crap to excuse Islam from any responsibility and to dishonestly misrepresent those who are not as spineless, squishy and dishonest as you.

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Reply #205 - Dec 4^th, 2014 at 10:25pm

Soren wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

But nobody has ever said that holy war is specific to Islam or that it was invented by Islam. You come up with this crap to excuse Islam from any responsibility and to dishonestly misrepresent those who are not as spineless, squishy and dishonest as you.

So, then, Soren why are you getting a tizzy in your bonnet when I make the point that Christianity has a long, long, history of waging Holy Wars?

The reality is, everything you hold against Islam, Christianity has done as badly yet you turn a blind eye to it, you get upset when you're reminded of it and attack anybody who dares to make that point. So immature, so silly really but I suppose anal retentiveness does that to you... Roll Eyes

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Reply #206 - Dec 4^th, 2014 at 10:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 10:25pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

But nobody has ever said that holy war is specific to Islam or that it was invented by Islam. You come up with this crap to excuse Islam from any responsibility and to dishonestly misrepresent those who are not as spineless, squishy and dishonest as you.

So, then, Soren why are you getting a tizzy in your bonnet when I make the point that Christianity has a long, long, history of waging Holy Wars?

The reality is, everything you hold against Islam, Christianity has done as badly yet you turn a blind eye to it, you get upset when you're reminded of it and attack anybody who dares to make that point. So immature, so silly really but I suppose anal retentiveness does that to you... Roll Eyes

The old boy doesn’t like the beards and head coverings.

It’s not personal.

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Reply #207 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 9:31am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 10:25pm:

The reality is, everything you hold against Islam, Christianity has done as badly yet you turn a blind eye to it, you get upset when you're reminded of it and attack anybody who dares to make that point. So immature, so silly really but I suppose anal retentiveness does that to you...

With respect I think you both miss the point.

"Christianity" - as in "Christian civilization" has transformed into a irreligious, secular force. There are two sides to it - on the one hand it has brought democracy and freedom and human rights to the nations that created it. On the other hand, it has brought neo-colonialism, oppression and great suffering to most of the third world. Large parts of the non-western world are still reeling from the most horrendous period of genocides and economic rape the world has ever seen.

This oppression continues to this day with the continued economic pillaging of third world resources - to the detriment of the local populations. Mostly this is done by outsourcing the oppression to corrupt native client regimes, but occasionally direct western intervention rears its ugly head - Iraq being the most blatant in recent years, and most recently - Libya. Fanboys like FD will cheer this on as "fighting for freedom" and thus give it legitimacy.

It therefore completely misses the point to compare the antics of irrelevant religious fanatics in what is fundamentally a battle of worldly, secular issues. Yes, it is a red herring to compare modern jihadis with Spanish Conquistadors 500 years ago, but it is not irrelevant to compare the aggression and atrocities of one type of oppressor with the aggression and oppressor of another - say like IS compared to US neo-colonialism. And it is also not irrelevant to point out that one pales in comparison to the other.

Note here that I am not at all saying that IS is necessarily a case of the oppressed defending against the oppressor - I don't see evidence of that at all. IS is clearly an aggressive and expansionist force in its own right. But it exists in a region, and a world of opposing aggressive and expansionist forces - and our own civilization is just as guilty. Thus we need to dispense with this nonsense that we are the force of good, combating the forces of evil - such that our involvement in these conflicts are entirely about liberating people from oppression. We are every bit as greedy and brutal and uncivilised as IS when it comes to aggressive control over other people, and maintaining the delusion that we are not is one of the key roadblocks to reaching a viable and fair resolution to these conflicts.

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Reply #208 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 3:42pm

Yes, but Christianity was only ever used by Western civilisation, starting with Constantine, through the crusades, and into the colonial period. Military powers have used Christianity to consolidate their hold on power, using everything from the divine right of kings to the doctrine of papal infailability to the expansionist colonial project of Christening the primitive races. Christianity is as much an ideology as a religion, and the above doctrines had no theological basis. Despite this, they were held as sacred truths for centuries. Heretics who disagreed were tortured and put to death.

As an ideology used by vested powers, Islam is no different. Since the Iranian revolution in the modern era, we’ve seen Islam used in the same way.

The first neoconservative, Leo Strauss, argued that the West needs a religion to hold power. He argued against the democratic diffusion of power and wanted strong executive power, with the illusion of democracy. He also argued for the creation of an enemy to unite the West. After he moved to the US to teach in Chicago, Strauss argued no other power than the US could lead the world. The religion? Christianity.

Leo Strauss wrote all this in the 1950s, but his project came to fruition in 2001, during the first Bush administration. Bush used Christian imagery in all his military speeches. American Christians believed Bush’s enemies were Antichrists, and Bush’s wars were prophesised in the Bible. Bush and Blair were both committed Christians.

To me, there’s no difference between the Ayotollah calling for a millennial struggle against the Great Satan and the US president calling for a coalition to defeat the Axis of Evil. When the holy books get used to sell wars, there is little difference between church and state.

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Reply #209 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 4:55pm

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I am not unable to, Moses, I have merely lacked the time until now.

Christian Doctrine and anti-Semitism? Here are a small selection of web links to explain how steeped Christianity and it's doctrines are in anti-Semitism:

http://jcpa.org/article/the-origins-of-christian-anti-semitism/

http://www.sandrawilliams.org/ANTI/anti-semitism.html

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Christianity_and_antisemitism.html

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/antisemitism.html#Theology

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2009/07/new-testament-anti-semitism/

http://hirr.hartsem.edu/ency/Jewish-Christian.htm

Christian Doctrine that supported "Holy War" against the inhabitants of the New World?

Perhaps the best article on it is these two - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Requirement_of_1513

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requerimiento

however, these others also look at the issue, albeit in slightly different ways:

http://www.shmoop.com/spanish-colonization/religion.html

http://www.historyofjihad.org/reconquista.html

http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/745

All show how Christianity played a significant part in the justification of the Spanish conquest of the New World.

I didn't ask for narratives which give opinions on why something happened.

I wrote:**Why are you unable to give Christian doctrine which urges anti-Semitism, "holy war" against the inhabitants of the New World etc.?**

No opinions, don't run round in circles Brian, quote the doctrine of Christ which urges anti-Semitism, "holy war" against the inhabitants of the New World etc.

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