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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #90 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 10:39am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 8:41am:
For all those insisting that the past in a foreign country and we move on to more politically correct discussions, remember that child brides are still a massive problem in parts of the world, and in many of them Islam is the main barrier to change. It can even happen here in Australia.


Or India, who have the most child brides in the world.

Of course, you blame Hinduism, no?
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Reply #91 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 10:48am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 10:39am:
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 8:41am:
For all those insisting that the past in a foreign country and we move on to more politically correct discussions, remember that child brides are still a massive problem in parts of the world, and in many of them Islam is the main barrier to change. It can even happen here in Australia.


Or India, who have the most child brides in the world.

Of course, you blame Hinduism, no?

Yes, Hinduism is to be blamed, too. Islam  however doesn't get a free pass just because others also do despicable things.


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Reply #92 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 11:30am
 
Soren wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 10:48am:
Karnal wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 10:39am:
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 8:41am:
For all those insisting that the past in a foreign country and we move on to more politically correct discussions, remember that child brides are still a massive problem in parts of the world, and in many of them Islam is the main barrier to change. It can even happen here in Australia.


Or India, who have the most child brides in the world.

Of course, you blame Hinduism, no?

Yes, Hinduism is to be blamed, too.



Good grief, you can’t say that, old boy. FD will get offended.

Still, they’re not decent white people, so.I think you’ll be okay.
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Reply #93 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 1:29pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 8:00am:
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 7:34am:
Gandalf, you attempt to read an awful lot into the fact that no-one mentions whether she had hit puberty.


umm no , there are multiple references to her hitting puberty. I guess that just renders the rest of your rant null and void.

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Gandalf never did get round to revealing any of these references.
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Reply #94 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 1:58pm
 
Grin FD really is the master of selectivity when it comes to digging up what other people have written.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #95 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 1:59pm
 
I confess I have trouble digging up the ones that do not exist.

Perhaps you will have more luck Gandalf?
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Reply #96 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:00pm
 
MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 4:05pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 10:15am:
But please, prove me wrong.

That's asking too much, good sir. Gandy's a spin-doctor, not a miracle worker.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 4:01pm:
ramming a 9 year old is pedophilia.

+1. It doesn't help to say that according to some sources she was 12, either.



What sources say she was 12 can the Islamic apologists cite them?

The Islamic texts all say Aisha was 6 when married and 9 when marriage was consummated-
sunnah.com/search/?q=aisha+consummated+marriage
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Reply #97 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:27pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:00pm:
What sources say she was 12 can the Islamic apologists cite them?


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Ibn Khallikan, as well as Ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi citing Hisham ibn Urwah, record that she was nine years old at marriage, and twelve at consummation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage

Gosh that was difficult...
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Reply #98 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:32pm
 
From that article:

Aisha's age at the time she was married to Muhammad has been of interest since the earliest days of Islam, and references to her age by early historians are frequent.[6] American historian Denise Spellberg has reviewed Islamic literature on Aisha's virginity, age at marriage and age when the marriage was consummated.[6] Spellberg states, "Aisha's age is a major pre-occupation in Ibn Sa'd where her marriage varies between six and seven; nine seems constant as her age at the marriage's consummation." She notes one exception in Ibn Hisham's biography of the Prophet, which suggests the age of consummation may have been when Aisha was age 10, summarizing her review with the note that "these specific references to the bride's age reinforce Aisha's pre-menarcheal status and, implicitly, her virginity.
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Reply #99 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:34pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:27pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:00pm:
What sources say she was 12 can the Islamic apologists cite them?


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Ibn Khallikan, as well as Ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi citing Hisham ibn Urwah, record that she was nine years old at marriage, and twelve at consummation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage

Gosh that was difficult...


Are you saying the sahih ahadith is wrong about Aisha's age?

Do you think a rational person will believe what is written in the Islamic texts or what is written in some other unknown books that are not recognised by the bearded nutjobs who preach Islam?

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Reply #100 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 8:41am:
For all those insisting that the past in a foreign country and we move on to more politically correct discussions, remember that child brides are still a massive problem in parts of the world, and in many of them Islam is the main barrier to change. It can even happen here in Australia.


No denying that, FD but the problem with trying to hound Mohammed is that the poor old blighter is dead, buried and rotted away.  Bit hard to dig him up and hang him for any crimes he may have committed, isn't it?

Further, as I keep pointing out, he didn't commit the crime of Paedophilia.  Child marriage was common when he was alive.   Consummation of marriages at a young age was not unknown either, as the examples I posted showed.  Admittedly, I only touched on European nobility but I'm sure if I dug enough, I could find examples from other societies.

You and the other Islamophobes' problem is that you lack any objectivity.  Any at all, as far as Islam and it's history goes.    Roll Eyes

By all means, bang on about child brides today, I'll join the chorus of condemnation.  However, condemning Mohammed for something that may have happened 1400 years ago?  Really?    Roll Eyes
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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #101 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:48pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:34pm:
Are you saying the sahih ahadith is wrong about Aisha's age?

Do you think a rational person will believe what is written in the Islamic texts or what is written in some other unknown books that are not recognised by the bearded nutjobs who preach Islam?


Gosh Baron, you really do create a lot of strawmen from a simple answer to a simple request.

freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:32pm:
"these specific references to the bride's age reinforce Aisha's pre-menarcheal status


Speaking of strawmen...
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Reply #102 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:55pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:48pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:34pm:
Are you saying the sahih ahadith is wrong about Aisha's age?

Do you think a rational person will believe what is written in the Islamic texts or what is written in some other unknown books that are not recognised by the bearded nutjobs who preach Islam?


Gosh Baron, you really do create a lot of strawmen from a simple answer to a simple request.

freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 2:32pm:
"these specific references to the bride's age reinforce Aisha's pre-menarcheal status


Speaking of strawmen...


Please answer the questions Gandalf-

Do you think the sahih ahadith is wrong about Aishas age?


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Reply #103 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 3:13pm
 
I don't know Baron - but I always think its generally wise to take the authenticity of a 3rd or 4th (and often even more) hand account of what someone said or did over 200 years prior with a grain of salt.

Also I'll point out once again your hilarious double standards of treating Sahih Hadith as gospel truth when it suits, but otherwise trash the whole idea that accounts of events written over 200 years after could ever be believed.

eg - this is the high regard Baron has for the authenticity of Sahih Hadith:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
The hadith is a collection of sayings from Mohammad passed down like a series of chinese whispers over 200 years before someone made it into a book. If more than one person heard the same chinese whispers it becomes legitimate for muslims.



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Reply #104 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 3:23pm
 
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Further, as I keep pointing out, he didn't commit the crime of Paedophilia.  Child marriage was common when he was alive.


So having sex with children is not pedophilia if everyone else is doing it? Are you you saying that Muhammed was indeed a pedophile, but not a criminal?

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Speaking of strawmen...


It's from the article you used Gandalf. The most logical conclusion from the available evidence is that Muhammed had sex with the little girl before she reached puberty.
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