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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #105 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 8:18pm: Puppet - I can't take you seriously. This thread is a waste of time. This thread is about our perceptions of terrorists. The perception the yanks and the media want us to have is of a middle eastern man but that is a false stereotype imo. SOB
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Re: Our perception of "terrorists"
Reply #106 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:15am

chimera wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 8:47pm:

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So which are the terrorists? What do they look like? Do they fit the public perception?

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Killing civilians was the purpose of bombing Coventry and Dresden. Phosphorus bombs on city suburbs were only to cause population deaths. Like Kissinger did in Cambodia.

Yeah. I have trouble with this term "civilians". Most terrorists are civilians too.

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Reply #107 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 10:24am

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 9:20pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 8:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 8:18pm:

Puppet - I can't take you seriously.
This thread is a waste of time.

When did I ask you to take me?

Puppet - have you become a homo?

Take me to your bat cave bobby and have your way with me

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Reply #108 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:02am

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Yeah. I have trouble with this term "civilians". Most terrorists are civilians too.

What trouble is that? The citizens of Coventry and Dresden were just civilians at home. The terrorists were the military tacticians and political chiefs. The UK air-marshall "Bomber" Harris was snubbed after the war for his terrorism.

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Reply #109 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:06am

Isnt the term terrorist just "underfunded militia".

A "Freedom fighter" is underfunded militia on your side.

A "terrorist" is underfunded militia not on your side.

Both can target civilians because its far more cost-effective for their lean budgets.

An "army" is usually well-funded militia. These target civilians as much as anyone. (eg carpet bombing Baghdad)

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Reply #110 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:33am

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:06am:

Isnt the term terrorist just "underfunded militia".

A "Freedom fighter" is underfunded militia on your side.

A "terrorist" is underfunded militia not on your side.

Both can target civilians because its far more cost-effective for their lean budgets.

An "army" is usually well-funded militia. These target civilians as much as anyone. (eg carpet bombing Baghdad)

Yeah. I guess. But we need a better wrod because "terorist" is so broad. A lone gunman like Brevik who was doing his killing for political purposes also falls under the label.

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Reply #111 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 12:52pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 10:24am:

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 9:20pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 8:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 8:18pm:

Puppet - I can't take you seriously.
This thread is a waste of time.

When did I ask you to take me?

Puppet - have you become a homo?

Take me to your bat cave bobby and have your way with me

I am worried about you Puppet.

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Reply #112 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 1:27pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:06am:

Isnt the term terrorist just "underfunded militia".

A "Freedom fighter" is underfunded militia on your side.

A "terrorist" is underfunded militia not on your side.

Both can target civilians because its far more cost-effective for their lean budgets.

An "army" is usually well-funded militia. These target civilians as much as anyone. (eg carpet bombing Baghdad)

That is my understanding. The funding is linked to legitimacy in the sense that they have the support of the nation and a mandate to potentially drag that nation into war. A terrorist can drag two countries into war against the will of both countries, just like Osama did.

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Reply #113 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 2:00pm

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:06am:

Isnt the term terrorist just "underfunded militia".

A "Freedom fighter" is underfunded militia on your side.

A "terrorist" is underfunded militia not on your side.

Both can target civilians because its far more cost-effective for their lean budgets.

An "army" is usually well-funded militia. These target civilians as much as anyone. (eg carpet bombing Baghdad)

That is my understanding. The funding is linked to legitimacy in the sense that they have the support of the nation and a mandate to potentially drag that nation into war. A terrorist can drag two countries into war against the will of both countries, just like Osama did.

How exactly did Usama do that? Which 2 countries?

Since he was saudi and most of the guys on the planes were saudi - wouldn't saudi be one of those countries? Only war I remember was yanks invading iraq. That had nothing to do with usama whether he instigated the 11/9 thing or not.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11777 Armidale Gender:	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #114 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 2:04pm Ordinary citizens in Iraq, Afghanistan who fire rifles at US troops to defend national rights would be freedom fighters. If they set bombs in crowded streets, even to hit some US troops along with their own citizens, that is terrorism. Breivik was probably neither if he had no political plan.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #116 - May 3^rd, 2012 at 9:09am freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:37pm: Quote: How exactly did Usama do that? Which 2 countries? The US and Afghanistan. It should be fairly obvious how he did it. No. How did he do it? He wasnt in afghanistan. They werent afghanis on the planes. How did he do it? Seems to me bush did it. SOB
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Reply #117 - May 3^rd, 2012 at 9:54am

"In mid-1997, the Northern Alliance threatened to overrun Jalalabad, causing bin Laden to abandon his Nazim Jihad compound and move his operations to Tarnak Farms in the south.

Another successful attack was carried out in the city of Mazar-e-Sharif in Afghanistan. Bin Laden helped cement his alliance with the Taliban by sending several hundreds of Afghan Arab fighters along to help the Taliban kill between five and six thousand Hazaras overrunning the city..

Despite the multiple indictments listed above and multiple requests, the Taliban refused to extradite Osama bin Laden. They did however offer to try him before an Islamic court if evidence of Osama bin Laden's involvement in the September 11 attacks was provided. It was not until eight days after the bombing of Afghanistan began in October 2001 that the Taliban finally did offer to turn over Osama bin Laden to a third-party country for trial in return for the United States ending the bombing."

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Reply #118 - May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:08am

chimera wrote on May 3^rd, 2012 at 9:54am:

"In mid-1997, the Northern Alliance threatened to overrun Jalalabad, causing bin Laden to abandon his Nazim Jihad compound and move his operations to Tarnak Farms in the south.

Another successful attack was carried out in the city of Mazar-e-Sharif in Afghanistan. Bin Laden helped cement his alliance with the Taliban by sending several hundreds of Afghan Arab fighters along to help the Taliban kill between five and six thousand Hazaras overrunning the city..

Despite the multiple indictments listed above and multiple requests, the Taliban refused to extradite Osama bin Laden. They did however offer to try him before an Islamic court if evidence of Osama bin Laden's involvement in the September 11 attacks was provided. It was not until eight days after the bombing of Afghanistan began in October 2001 that the Taliban finally did offer to turn over Osama bin Laden to a third-party country for trial in return for the United States ending the bombing."

I kinda remember this but they werent actually sure he was there. Besides if he caused the war why is it still going on?

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Reply #119 - May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:16am

Taliban jihadi :" Yes we have a cave at Nazim Jihad and there are piles of robes in the back corner. Some of them move a bit and we believe one heap may be Usama spelt with U. Not sure. He's a bit secretive and his beard makes him not easy to identify and he mumbles. Bad teeth. But hey it may be Usama, why not (peace be upon him)."

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