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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #30 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:01pm
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11777 Armidale Gender:	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #31 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 3:31pm Quote: Hmm. Are you saying that someone has to be a member of a "terrorist organisation" to be a terrorist? Prolly. Do you know of a lone terrorist? I meant in the public view, an organisation helps specify an agenda because the group requires goals to be expressed and agreed.
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Reply #32 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 4:07pm

chimera wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

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Hmm. Are you saying that someone has to be a member of a "terrorist organisation" to be a terrorist?

Prolly. Do you know of a lone terrorist? I meant in the public view, an organisation helps specify an agenda because the group requires goals to be expressed and agreed.

Interesting idea. IMO the type of person that becomes a terrorist though is looking for a cause. Something to do it for. Brevik is looking like he wasnt in an org though.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49280 At my desk.	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #33 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 5:58pm If not an organisation, then an ideology. It is pretty rare for someone to come up with their own.
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Reply #34 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 6:20pm

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Reply #35 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 6:22pm

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

If not an organisation, then an ideology. It is pretty rare for someone to come up with their own.

Well. Not really. Hybrids of existing ones maybe. Schizophrenics tend to blend together lots of ideologies into something unique to themselves. Eg the guy in tasmania. Dunno if he is classified a terrorist though. I tend to think of usama as one of those though. And Brevik but they are saying he isnt schizophrenic. I dunno.

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Reply #36 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 9:05pm

My head hurts. Words are getting blurry. If a person causes a sense of terror, is he a terrorist? So any slob with a sharp weapon in a shop is a terrorist, with the ideology of getting cash. The bushfire arsonist.. what was he? The word carries some idea of a general movement, unless maybe a 1 man-band does terror and gains power by himself. Hard to imagine that except as a bus hijacking - then what?

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Reply #37 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:03am

chimera wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

My head hurts. Words are getting blurry. If a person causes a sense of terror, is he a terrorist? So any slob with a sharp weapon in a shop is a terrorist, with the ideology of getting cash. The bushfire arsonist.. what was he? The word carries some idea of a general movement, unless maybe a 1 man-band does terror and gains power by himself. Hard to imagine that except as a bus hijacking - then what?

Not according to the definitions of terrorist. That is just american propaganda that we were subjected to for a while during the invasion of Iraq. They wanted to get the word "terror" out there to cause fear amongst us so we would panic and let them do that stuff.

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Reply #38 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:05am

Okay. Israeli terrorists. There are plenty of those. They are terrorists because of politcal reasons but are they motivated by religion? Come to think of it werent most of those terrorists on those planes that hit those towers israelis?

Seems to me that there is more and more of this stuff around the world. Ppl like andres popping up all over the place. Policial motivations because theres something wrong with the way we are doing things imo.

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Reply #39 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:58am

"Not according to the definitions of terrorist."
What is not what?
OED says terrorist is "one who uses terror inspiring methods of governing or coercing government or community".
Sadam was that. Protests that threaten the person of the PM are. The Syria groups on both sides are, as in Libya, or US Civil War. The US revolutionaries like George Washington were and US shock-and-awe in Iraq was. Like 9/11.
Breivik needs a claim to be coercing the Norway government for him to be described as terrorist.

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Reply #40 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 10:24am

chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

"Not according to the definitions of terrorist."
What is not what?
OED says terrorist is "one who uses terror inspiring methods of governing or coercing government or community".
Sadam was that. Protests that threaten the person of the PM are. The Syria groups on both sides are, as in Libya, or US Civil War. The US revolutionaries like George Washington were and US shock-and-awe in Iraq was. Like 9/11.
Breivik needs a claim to be coercing the Norway government for him to be described as terrorist.

What is OED? I provided a link earlier int eh thread for the definition.

Definition of terrorist

The extra definition to "terror" about the weapons was added during the iraq thing. you see? This influenced most ppls perceptions of terrorists to fit the american agenda (of invading iraq!).

Our perception of terrorists is that they are middle eastern gentlemen of the islamic faith. This is not true in reality terrorists can come from any walk of life and race and any "faith" or maybe none @ all though I dont think thats happened yet - maybe it has.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106215 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #41 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 10:53am Definition of a terrorist? Someone with a towel on their head?
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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #42 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 11:10am Terrorist leaders meet :
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #43 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 11:27am While I agree with the above on some level I wish the intelligent ppl that were "suspended" would come back so we can have a serious conversation. SOB
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11777 Armidale Gender:	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #44 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:11pm OED is English Oxford Dictionary. Seriously. Norwegian gentlemen like Breivik don't know whether they are terrorists. SOB (not the OED) is not sure. Dunno. Who does?
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