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Re: Our perception of "terrorists"
Reply #45 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:19pm

chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:11pm:

OED is English Oxford Dictionary. Seriously.
Norwegian gentlemen like Breivik don't know whether they are terrorists. SOB (not the OED) is not sure. Dunno. Who does?

Not sure what that meant.Brievik is a terrorist. Politically motivated. Had an ideology in his manifesto. Killed lots of ppl. Doesnt seem to actually belong to an organisation though.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11777 Armidale Gender:	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #46 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:22pm Well, who paid for his manifesto?
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Reply #47 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:31pm

Breivik may be a lone-wolf terrorist. However he has claimed to be working within an organisation.

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...Anders Behring Breivik refused to answer prosecutors' questions Wednesday about the anti-Muslim militant group he claims to belong to, as his trial on terror charges for the massacre of 77 people entered its third day.

Prosecutors have said they believe Breivik's so-called "Knights Templar" group doesn't exist "in the way he describes it." Breivik insists it does, and said police just hadn't done a good enough job in uncovering it.

"It is not in my interest to shed light on details that could lead to arrests," he said...

http://news.yahoo.com/breivik-questioned-knights-templar-group-085117374.html

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11777 Armidale Gender:	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #48 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:43pm The Knights of Malta are the Red Cross. Their terrorist ambulances hide the evidence of shootings.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #49 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 4:07pm chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:22pm: Well, who paid for his manifesto? Huh? SOB
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Re: Our perception of "terrorists"
Reply #50 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 4:08pm

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Breivik may be a lone-wolf terrorist. However he has claimed to be working within an organisation.

Quote:

...Anders Behring Breivik refused to answer prosecutors' questions Wednesday about the anti-Muslim militant group he claims to belong to, as his trial on terror charges for the massacre of 77 people entered its third day.

Prosecutors have said they believe Breivik's so-called "Knights Templar" group doesn't exist "in the way he describes it." Breivik insists it does, and said police just hadn't done a good enough job in uncovering it.

"It is not in my interest to shed light on details that could lead to arrests," he said...

http://news.yahoo.com/breivik-questioned-knights-templar-group-085117374.html

Yeah i know. thats why i said "seems" because we dont really know do we but it seems like he wasnt,

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Re: Our perception of "terrorists"
Reply #51 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 5:22pm

Now let's get serious and/or intelligent.

Breivik probaly was terrorist but is not called one.
Sadam was not a terrorist says SOB but the US claimed he was because of weapons, says SOB.
He was a terrorist against Kurds but the US was not concerned about that.
He was not terrorist because of WMD, they were the reason to invade. Invading stopped him supporting terror by Al Qaeda.
So he wasn't but he was, and was but he wasn't, but he was with them that was.

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Re: Our perception of "terrorists"
Reply #52 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 5:31pm

chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 5:22pm:

Now let's get serious and/or intelligent.

Breivik probaly was terrorist but is not called one.
Sadam was not a terrorist says SOB but the US claimed he was because of weapons, says SOB.
He was a terrorist against Kurds but the US was not concerned about that.
He was not terrorist because of WMD, they were the reason to invade. Invading stopped him supporting terror by Al Qaeda.
So he wasn't but he was, and was but he wasn't, but he was with them that was.

I didnt say any of that. You did.

Do you have a perception of a typical terrorist in your mind? What is that perception if you have one?

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Reply #53 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:12pm

#1. you say Breivik is right to claim being terrorist, as in #6.
(So he is not being called terrorist now.)
#32. You say Sadam was not terrorist.
#37, #40 You say Iraq was falsely called terrorist because of US propaganda about WMD weapons.
Which all goes to prove that an unclear statement can quickly descend into chaos.
If Breivik has a credible movement against Norway then he is a terrorist. If not he's a crim.

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Re: Our perception of "terrorists"
Reply #55 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:20pm

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 11:10am:

Terrorist leaders meet
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZxpDOhengc/SW2zDXdCNhI/AAAAAAAABTU/FpOKDg-FNZk/s400/1...

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/1203-obama-...

You DON'T sound like you are sufficiently terrorised. Au contraire, you are carrying on as if your civil liberties were intact.
Oh! Wait! They are!

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Re: Our perception of "terrorists"
Reply #56 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:52pm

Soren wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:20pm:

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 11:10am:

Terrorist leaders meet
:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZxpDOhengc/SW2zDXdCNhI/AAAAAAAABTU/FpOKDg-FNZk/s400/1...

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/1203-obama-...

You DON'T sound like you are sufficiently terrorised. Au contraire, you are carrying on as if your civil liberties were intact.
Oh! Wait! They are!

I find nothing civil about the way the US and its allies 'liberated' these children from their lives:

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11777 Armidale Gender:	Re: Our perception of "terrorists" Reply #57 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 12:13am Arabic: "الجمل لا يرى عوجة رقبته" ("The camel cannot see the crookedness of its own neck") Arabic:"ان كان بيتك من زجاج فلا ترم الناس بالحجارة" ("If your house is of glass, don't throw rocks at others"). Strine: The pot called the kettle black.
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Re: Our perception of "terrorists"
Reply #58 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 1:56am

chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

"Not according to the definitions of terrorist."
What is not what?
OED says terrorist is "one who uses terror inspiring methods of governing or coercing government or community".
Sadam was that. Protests that threaten the person of the PM are. The Syria groups on both sides are, as in Libya, or US Civil War. The US revolutionaries like George Washington were and US shock-and-awe in Iraq was. Like 9/11.
Breivik needs a claim to be coercing the Norway government for him to be described as terrorist.

Who is a terrorist ?

Isn't a terrorist; someone who tries to instil a sense of fear in another person, or group of persons [usually by a threat, or an expectation of violence] ?

And usually, a terrorist has a motive in trying to instil a sense of fear in another person, or group of persons.

Yes ?

But can the motives of a terrorist ever be justified ?

Does a 'terrorist' legitimately ever become a freedom fighter, if his motives are [ever] 'justified' ?

e.g.
Moslem freedom fighters [Jihadists] claim that they are [always] fighting against the oppressors of the people....

"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76

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Re: Our perception of "terrorists"
Reply #59 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 9:26am

chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:12pm:

#1. you say Breivik is right to claim being terrorist, as in #6.
(So he is not being called terrorist now.)
#32. You say Sadam was not terrorist.
#37, #40 You say Iraq was falsely called terrorist because of US propaganda about WMD weapons.
Which all goes to prove that an unclear statement can quickly descend into chaos.
If Breivik has a credible movement against Norway then he is a terrorist. If not he's a crim.

Oh boy. please try to comprehend this.

Brevik is a terrorist by the definition of terrorist. I dont know if "they" (who are they anyway? The media?) are calling him a terrorist now.

It was a totally different topic when I was discussing whether he was a member of an organisation.

Saddam was the leader of a country. A politician. If there were atrocities he personally didnt commit them. Others did.

I do not remember mentioning anything about WMDs in iraq and if you want to discuss them start a new thread.

Do you understand? I dont want to spend all my time explaining crap thats irrelevant to you.

Now you answer my question. Do you have a perception of a terrorist? If so what is that perception?

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