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Question: Terrorists are:

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Any bastard who deliberately targets civlians    
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Reply #60 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:29am
 
For the 3rd time here is the dictionary link to "terrorism"

Link to the definition

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Reply #61 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 2:02pm
 
US drones killed 2,800 civilians in Pakistan in 7 years


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A Pakistani human rights lawyer says over 2,800 of the 3,000 people killed over the past seven years in non-UN-sanctioned US assassination drone strikes in Pakistan were civilians, Press TV reports.


Shahzad Akbar, the director of the Foundation for Fundamental Rights, told Press TV on Saturday that only 170 of the people killed in the aerial attacks on the northwestern tribal belt of Pakistan have been identified as militants.

That means that “over 2,800 people were civilians, whose identities are not known, and they have just been killed on suspicion of being militants,” he added.

US President Barack Obama publicly confirmed for the first time in late January that drone aircraft have struck targets inside Pakistan.

Obama said "a lot of these strikes have been in the FATA", the acronym for Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

Pakistan contends that the drone strikes are counterproductive.

“We are of the firm view that these are unlawful, counterproductive and hence unacceptable,” Pakistani Foreign Ministry spokesman Abdul Basit said on January 31.

He added, “Our view has always been very clear and position principled.”

Sixty-four US missile strikes were reported in Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal belt last year, down from 101 reported in 2010, according to AFP tallies.

The US claims the airstrikes target militants affiliated with the Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and al-Qaeda. But locals say civilians are the main victims.

The aerial attacks, initiated by former US President George W. Bush, have escalated under President Barack Obama.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/238615.html
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Reply #62 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 2:04pm
 
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Re: Our perception of "terrorists"
Reply #63 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 2:06pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 6:25pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 4:35pm:
The abortion-clinic anti-doctor killers have religious motive as with Muslims.


There have only been around a dozen abortion clinic workers killed by christian nutjobs in the USA.

Yes they have the same motive as muslims yet they dont get 72 virgins and a everlasting erection in paradise for all eternity as a reward.


So they are just murdering people from the goodness of their heart then?
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Reply #64 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 3:53pm
 
falah wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 2:04pm:
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How about some more options? How about "any fanatic that kills ppl for political reasons" ? Since that is the official meaning it should be an option?

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Reply #65 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 4:09pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:26am:
[quote author=010A0B0F071003620 link=1335389097/53#53 date=1335607948

Brevik is a terrorist by the definition of terrorist.It was a totally different topic when I was discussing whether he was a member of an organisation.

Saddam was the leader of a country. A politician. If there were atrocities he personally didnt commit them. Others did.

I do not remember mentioning anything about WMDs in iraq and if you want to discuss them start a new thread.


Now you answer my question. Do you have a perception of a terrorist? If so what is that perception?
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Breivik needs to be able to coerce a government or community, by definition. Is that the situation in Norway?
Hitler, Eichmann, Milosevich and Sadam Hussein didn't pull the trigger on anyone ( ?) but were terrorists by their orders against civialians.
You wrote of Iraq weapons in #40.
Again, Breivik was a terrorist if he coerced govt or community. Otherwise he is a crim. I'm agreeing with you, you raving loony idiot unserious blathering rabbit wheelbarrow.
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Reply #66 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 4:22pm
 
falah wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 2:02pm:
US drones killed 2,800 civilians in Pakistan in 7 years


http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120216/pirhayati20120216130143327.jpg

A Pakistani human rights lawyer says over 2,800 of the 3,000 people killed over the past seven years in non-UN-sanctioned US assassination drone strikes in Pakistan were civilians, Press TV reports.


Shahzad Akbar, the director of the Foundation for Fundamental Rights, told Press TV on Saturday that only 170 of the people killed in the aerial attacks on the northwestern tribal belt of Pakistan have been identified as militants.

That means that “over 2,800 people were civilians, whose identities are not known, and they have just been killed on suspicion of being militants,” he added.

US President Barack Obama publicly confirmed for the first time in late January that drone aircraft have struck targets inside Pakistan.

Obama said "a lot of these strikes have been in the FATA", the acronym for Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

Pakistan contends that the drone strikes are counterproductive.

“We are of the firm view that these are unlawful, counterproductive and hence unacceptable,” Pakistani Foreign Ministry spokesman Abdul Basit said on January 31.

He added, “Our view has always been very clear and position principled.”

Sixty-four US missile strikes were reported in Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal belt last year, down from 101 reported in 2010, according to AFP tallies.

The US claims the airstrikes target militants affiliated with the Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and al-Qaeda. But locals say civilians are the main victims.

The aerial attacks, initiated by former US President George W. Bush, have escalated under President Barack Obama.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/238615.html


Do you think the US is trying to use fear to manipulate the Pakistani people?

Do you think they are deliberately targeting civilians?
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Reply #67 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 4:38pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 7:24am:
Brevik said "If I had been a bearded Jihadi ... there would not be a need for a psychiatric evaluation," he said. and you know what? hes right.

Think about terrorists. What picture does that conjure in your mind? The general portrayal of a "terrorist" is not of a person in need of medical attention but of a hard calculating demon. This is how they have been presented to us after all.

The religion that is thrown into the stereotype is wrong too imo. Well logically we know that. What it is is "extremism" but that is politically motivated. Terrorism is motivated by politics. Its the definition of terrorism or used to be. Not religion. Religion helps of course especially if you are "giving your life" for whatever your political cause is. It can help give you motivation to go through with your plan I guess.

The thing is we dont really think of terrorists as being mentally insane. We think of them as the big bad monsters we are told to think of them as. In reality they are unbalanced radicals who are extreme in their politics.

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Reply #68 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 4:41pm
 
The residents of Guantanamo Bay Health Resort are not soldiers or they would be in US prisoner of war camps and not able to be interrogated, by UN Conventions.
So Al Qaeda in pakistan are not combatants and any bullets are extremist civilian threats. The terrorists are being terrorised by anti-terrorist US justice bombs for democratic free dead civilians.
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Reply #69 - Apr 30th, 2012 at 11:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 4:22pm:
A Pakistani human rights lawyer says over 2,800 of the 3,000 people killed over the past seven years in non-UN-sanctioned US assassination drone strikes in Pakistan were civilians, Press TV reports.


Of course they're civilians.   All Taliban are civilians.
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Reply #70 - May 1st, 2012 at 8:25am
 
Swagman wrote on Apr 30th, 2012 at 11:03pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 4:22pm:
A Pakistani human rights lawyer says over 2,800 of the 3,000 people killed over the past seven years in non-UN-sanctioned US assassination drone strikes in Pakistan were civilians, Press TV reports.


Of course they're civilians.   All Taliban are civilians.


What were the other 200?

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Reply #71 - May 1st, 2012 at 8:27am
 
chimera wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 4:09pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:26am:
[quote author=010A0B0F071003620 link=1335389097/53#53 date=1335607948

Brevik is a terrorist by the definition of terrorist.It was a totally different topic when I was discussing whether he was a member of an organisation.

Saddam was the leader of a country. A politician. If there were atrocities he personally didnt commit them. Others did.

I do not remember mentioning anything about WMDs in iraq and if you want to discuss them start a new thread.


Now you answer my question. Do you have a perception of a terrorist? If so what is that perception?

Breivik needs to be able to coerce a government or community, by definition. Is that the situation in Norway?
Hitler, Eichmann, Milosevich and Sadam Hussein didn't pull the trigger on anyone ( ?) but were terrorists by their orders against civialians.
You wrote of Iraq weapons in #40.
Again, Breivik was a terrorist if he coerced govt or community. Otherwise he is a crim. I'm agreeing with you, you raving loony idiot unserious blathering rabbit wheelbarrow.
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Yeah but im trying to work out why some "Terrorists" are treated as crims and some as loonies.

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Reply #72 - May 1st, 2012 at 8:43am
 
Swagman wrote on Apr 30th, 2012 at 11:03pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 4:22pm:
A Pakistani human rights lawyer says over 2,800 of the 3,000 people killed over the past seven years in non-UN-sanctioned US assassination drone strikes in Pakistan were civilians, Press TV reports.


Of course they're civilians.   All Taliban are civilians.


I guess they all wore tea towels and had guns. Shoot! Cheesy

What exactly qualifies as "Pakistani Human Rights"?
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Reply #73 - May 1st, 2012 at 9:10am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 8:27am:
Yeah but im trying to work out why some "Terrorists" are treated as crims and some as loonies.

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Breivik is all 3 at the moment. Is being jailed as criminally insane much different from jail as crim? Is bin Laden's death changed by a definition? Breivik's murder of kids at a political camp was a bad choice of target. Maybe a terrorist group would have told him that. It reduces the application of "terrorist" to him.
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Reply #74 - May 1st, 2012 at 9:21am
 
chimera wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 9:10am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 8:27am:
Yeah but im trying to work out why some "Terrorists" are treated as crims and some as loonies.

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Breivik is all 3 at the moment. Is being jailed as criminally insane much different from jail as crim? Is bin Laden's death changed by a definition? Breivik's murder of kids at a political camp was a bad choice of target. Maybe a terrorist group would have told him that. It reduces the application of "terrorist" to him.


Yeah thats a point. What do the irish terrorists get charged with? Suppose I should look it up. I expect with being crims though. IMO if you are in an organisation with an ideology its criminal but loners are crazy? This may be how it works.

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Ps that poll is pissing me off because i cant answer any of those options and I want to see the results.
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