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Reply #15 - Mar 6^th, 2022 at 5:29pm

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Jasin wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 8:34pm:

Religion from the Middle-East disciplined European savages into becoming 'Civilised'.

Do you really think the crusades, witch hunts and Spanish Inquisition "civilised" Europeans?
Europeans became civilised DESPITE religion.
It is a common stated myth from theists that without religion there would be no morality.
Human's have an inate sense of right and wrong. They don't need a book to tell them how to behave. Indeed quite often a religious book is used to justify quite horrific deeds.

True but our species vulnerability to religious ‘groupthink’ is a far, far more complex problem manifested in ideological blindness as well as religious dogma. The underlying problems origin isn’t religion or ideology, it’s what we are as a species and our propensity to fall into the trap of tribal ‘thinking’ of all kinds.
Until we face up to the problem of what we are the many problems of religious and ideological madness will continue until we render ourselves extinct.

Well you being a male and not pro-creating with a female is an extinction in itself.
North and North magnets just don't attract.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #16 - Mar 7^th, 2022 at 7:37am

Jasin wrote on Mar 6^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

Well you being a male and not pro-creating with a female is an extinction in itself.
North and North magnets just don't attract.

In my misguided youth I managed to reproduce. Unfortunately my son was napalmed by the Americans during the Vietnam war so my one contribution to minimising our species extinction was voided.
However, this idea you have that gay males are in some peculiar way infertile is a nonsense. A gay couple of friends have three children having impregnated a female friend (naturally and without artificial insemination) three times. Their birth mother is still in regular contact with the three boys. The world is not a simple as you imagine it to be mate.
Then we have the question of straight males gleefully getting a random selection of females up the duff without intending to provide any support for their offspring.
You really need to pause and spend a little time thinking things through before blurting your primitive comments mate.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49477 Gender:	Re: Analytical Thinking Reply #17 - Mar 7^th, 2022 at 10:45pm Anal-lytical
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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Analytical Thinking Reply #18 - Mar 7^th, 2022 at 10:50pm I think, therefore I am ... not religious. I did go to church irregularly as a child up to age 10 but was scared off and never returned after an old codger said to me at the church, "have you been saved". Jesus is not the guy with the red suit and the bag of toys.
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Reply #19 - Mar 8^th, 2022 at 7:31am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 7^th, 2022 at 10:50pm:

I think, therefore I am ... not religious.

I did go to church irregularly as a child up to age 10 but was scared off and never returned after an old codger said to me at the church, "have you been saved".

Jesus is not the guy with the red suit and the bag of toys.

One of the best cures for religious belief is to encounter at an early age the monstrous sexual double standards and disfunction of the priesthood. As an organ scholar (pipe organ- not the other kind) from an early age I was rendered immune to the so called spiritual through direct experience the Roman stream’s hypocrisy. Others didn’t manage to escape being left to deal with life long trauma.

We can’t be 100% sure who or what Jesus was but if he was indeed the same man who threw the merchants out of the temple his expected return should have many branches of organised Christianity fearful of his wrath.

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Reply #20 - Mar 8^th, 2022 at 9:51am

There is no substantial evidence that Jesus existed let alone performed all the acts attributed to him.

There is no substantive evidence of the source and authority of the bible.

In two thousand years, perhaps religious scholars will be debating Donald Trump in the same way Jesus is now discussed as Donald Trump's followers have followed his instructions and gone forth and multiplied.

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Reply #21 - Mar 8^th, 2022 at 2:29pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 8^th, 2022 at 9:51am:

There is no substantial evidence that Jesus existed let alone performed all the acts attributed to him.

There is no substantive evidence of the source and authority of the bible.

In two thousand years, perhaps religious scholars will be debating Donald Trump in the same way Jesus is now discussed as Donald Trump's followers have followed his instructions and gone forth and multiplied.

Read others posts more carefully before you presume to correct them.

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Reply #22 - Mar 8^th, 2022 at 4:28pm

Oh I believe Jesus was a real 'ordinary' man. I only have to look at what Hitler did to the Jews, to know that the Jews did similar to Jesus long ago. Karma.

I once told a Priest that Elvis is King, not Jesus. Cheesy

I don't blame Religion and Priests 'only' for all sexual double-standards. Such is rife in EVERY INDUSTRY, CULTURE, RACE AND MORE.

Pope Benedict once tried to 'cleanse' the Church of all the Paedophiles. But because he couldn't be bothered 'smiling for the cameras and turning a blind eye' like Pope John Paul II (called the 'peoples' Pope by the Media). The Media labelled him a NAZI and attacked him much the same as the Media attacks Trump.
Sadly Pope Benedict was left alone in his fight for good in the Church and forced to resign, whereas a Biden-like Puppet Pope in the Jesuit Francis was put in. The irony of Jesuism is that it forsakes all the 'Gold and Pomp' that is with the position of Pope. Double Standard.

It's a f*ucked up world.

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Reply #23 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:37am

Jasin wrote on Mar 8^th, 2022 at 4:28pm:

Oh I believe Jesus was a real 'ordinary' man. I only have to look at what Hitler did to the Jews, to know that the Jews did similar to Jesus long ago. Karma.

I once told a Priest that Elvis is King, not Jesus. Cheesy

I don't blame Religion and Priests 'only' for all sexual double-standards. Such is rife in EVERY INDUSTRY, CULTURE, RACE AND MORE.

Pope Benedict once tried to 'cleanse' the Church of all the Paedophiles. But because he couldn't be bothered 'smiling for the cameras and turning a blind eye' like Pope John Paul II (called the 'peoples' Pope by the Media). The Media labelled him a NAZI and attacked him much the same as the Media attacks Trump.
Sadly Pope Benedict was left alone in his fight for good in the Church and forced to resign, whereas a Biden-like Puppet Pope in the Jesuit Francis was put in. The irony of Jesuism is that it forsakes all the 'Gold and Pomp' that is with the position of Pope. Double Standard.

It's a f*ucked up world.

More significantly it’s a f*cked up theology the central features of which are seldom examined.

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Reply #25 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:57pm

issuevoter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:35pm:

[size=12]The irony is that Christianity has evolved over the last 2000 years like one of Darwin's finches. Today, they do not worship the same things.

I think you have got it back to front, with an excessive confidence in the 'current truth' about Christianity and quite probably much else.

But Christianity has been engaging every generation since its inception in intellectual, philosophical, artistic, literary, ethical, theological discourse, interpretation, inspiration. It moved the ancients, medievals, moderns and now us and will continue to move generations for a long time. Discarding all that would be mad folly.

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Every time they are confronted with an undeniable fallacy, they morph and religion morphs like the corona virus.

Which is exactly how science changes but you wouldn't use such malicious language about it.

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Reply #26 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 8:28am

A simple example of Christian Darwinism is the story of Jonah. In former times, Christians taught it as Gospel Truth. No one believes it today. Some Christians dismiss the story as folklore, while other try to explain it through convoluted moral fables. Either way, they don't believe it. And then there is their Messiah, whom the Bible tells us actually believed in the story of Noah. What a nitwit for the son of God.

I have to restate that I am not an atheist. I just don't believe Divine intervention, or God as a father figure.

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Reply #27 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 8:57am

issuevoter wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 8:28am:

A simple example of Christian Darwinism is the story of Jonah. In former times, Christians taught it as Gospel Truth. No one believes it today. Some Christians dismiss the story as folklore, while other try to explain it through convoluted moral fables. Either way, they don't believe it. And then there is their Messiah, whom the Bible tells us actually believed in the story of Noah. What a nitwit for the son of God.

I have to restate that I am not an atheist. I just don't believe Divine intervention, or God as a father figure.

I think it is preposterous and unthinking to expect only Christianity be seen today exactly as it was seen 2000 years ago. By this measure only Aborigines are true believers since they haven't changed in 40 thousand years.

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Reply #28 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 12:22pm

Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 8:57am:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 8:28am:

A simple example of Christian Darwinism is the story of Jonah. In former times, Christians taught it as Gospel Truth. No one believes it today. Some Christians dismiss the story as folklore, while other try to explain it through convoluted moral fables. Either way, they don't believe it. And then there is their Messiah, whom the Bible tells us actually believed in the story of Noah. What a nitwit for the son of God.

I have to restate that I am not an atheist. I just don't believe Divine intervention, or God as a father figure.

I think it is preposterous and unthinking to expect only Christianity be seen today exactly as it was seen 2000 years ago. By this measure only Aborigines are true believers since they haven't changed in 40 thousand years.

That is my position too, when I get into it with my Christian friends. One actually calls me a heathen.

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Reply #29 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 10:35am

issuevoter wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 12:22pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 8:57am:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 8:28am:

A simple example of Christian Darwinism is the story of Jonah. In former times, Christians taught it as Gospel Truth. No one believes it today. Some Christians dismiss the story as folklore, while other try to explain it through convoluted moral fables. Either way, they don't believe it. And then there is their Messiah, whom the Bible tells us actually believed in the story of Noah. What a nitwit for the son of God.

I have to restate that I am not an atheist. I just don't believe Divine intervention, or God as a father figure.

I think it is preposterous and unthinking to expect only Christianity be seen today exactly as it was seen 2000 years ago. By this measure only Aborigines are true believers since they haven't changed in 40 thousand years.

That is my position too, when I get into it with my Christian friends. One actually calls me a heathen.

Then we have the issue of ‘forming young minds’ . The Jesuits have a saying “Give us the child until he’s 10 and we’ve got him for life” Not a trite saying given early religious upbringing can and does induce neurosis and guilt that can last a lifetime. Rome took this to a truly obscene level when selling indulgences, essentially a fee to negate believers sins.
As to Bible interpretations that’s opening a can of worms. Many of todays leading clerics have attempted to defang so called sacred texts making them more palatable. One example worth reading is Bishop John Shelby Spong’s “The Sins of Scripture: Exposing the Bible’s Text of Hate to Reveal the God of Love’. My view as an agnostic has always been one of astonishment anyone could claim as the prophets have ( and even one poster on this forum) they were speaking for and on behalf of God.

This could be one of my last posts. An encounter with one of this forums autocratic moderators will probably soon get me banned. Won’t go into any details apart from suggesting giving individual moderators exclusive control of their particular topics without anything like collective responsibility to each other has always been a self destructive recipe for any public forum.

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