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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #105 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:05pm

“So where can I find truth”? He asked.

“You must go north”, the tortoise replied.

“How far north”? He asked.

“As far north as you can go and then some”.

“What? North of North?”

“Yes”

“You mean… south”?

“No, I mean north of north”.

“Well how do I get there?”

“Just keep travelling north as far as it is possible to go, then head north from there”.

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Reply #106 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:08pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:02pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:00pm:

Absolutely! Grin

John 18:37
......Jesus answered,......To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Well, that's where you and I part... That an ancient Palestinian can arrogate truth to himself, or to make himself truth in itself, is to make truth contingent upon being, less than what it is.

All true.

IF, Jesus was merely a man.

You believe that.

I know that that belief is mistaken.

BUT, i can not prove that that is the truth.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Worship and Being Human Reply #107 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:11pm Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:08pm: I know that that belief is mistaken. Define 'To know'.
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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #108 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:18pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:05pm:

“So where can I find truth”? He asked.

“You must go north”, the tortoise replied.

“How far north”? He asked.

“As far north as you can go and then some”.

“What? North of North?”

“Yes”

“You mean… south”?

“No, I mean north of north”.

“Well how do I get there?”

“Just keep travelling north as far as it is possible to go, then head north from there”.

"But how will I know I've arrived?"

The tortoise replied, "Because you will know the truth".

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Reply #109 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:19pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

I know that that belief is mistaken.

Define 'To know'.

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness."

NoN,

Everyone has 'to go' with their own experience.

I have no problem with that.

We all base our worldview, upon our own experiences.

IMO, that is a good, and valid 'position' to base our perceptions upon.

If you want more, you will have to search for it.

Read my sig line.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #110 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:21pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

I know that that belief is mistaken.

Define 'To know'.

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness."

NoN,

Everyone has 'to go' with their own experience.

I have no problem with that.

We all base our worldview, upon our own experiences.

IMO, that is a good, and valid 'position' to base our perceptions upon.

If you want more, you will have to search for it.

Read my sig line.

"For we know in part and we prophesy in part".

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Worship and Being Human Reply #111 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 8:15pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:08pm: I know that that belief is mistaken. Define 'To know'. Define 'define'.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Worship and Being Human Reply #112 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 9:19pm Soren wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 8:15pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:08pm: I know that that belief is mistaken. Define 'To know'. Define 'define'. It’s like Switzerland… They’re both not Belgium.
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Reply #113 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 2:52am

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“So where can I find truth”? He asked.

“You must go north”, the tortoise replied.

Funny, I have never bothered to listen to what a frikin' tortoise has to say Cheesy

At least it is a physically existent object...even if people do have delusions of it speaking Grin

You gotta make things like that clear to me y'know?
Otherwise I might take it as "gospel", like the real voices from the sky and stuff

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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #114 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 4:24am

Amadd wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 2:52am:

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“So where can I find truth”? He asked.

“You must go north”, the tortoise replied.

Funny, I have never bothered to listen to what a frikin' tortoise has to say Cheesy

At least it is a physically existent object...even if people do have delusions of it speaking Grin

You gotta make things like that clear to me y'know?
Otherwise I might take it as "gospel", like the real voices from the sky and stuff

its tortoises all the way down.

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Reply #115 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 8:08am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 9:19pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 8:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

I know that that belief is mistaken.

Define 'To know'.

Define 'define'.

It’s like Switzerland… They’re both not Belgium.

The Swiss are just an educated version of the Belgians (not my joke)

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Reply #116 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 8:36am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 2:54pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Picking on the words I use this time of day is just anal.

SOB

Do you have a time slot for truth?

I see. Well its morning now. Your "truth" with its vague definitions (unless I am confusing you with yadda) sounds like your name for a deity. You are welcome to your god but take it out of the atheist section.

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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #117 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 8:37am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

We're now at the core of what sets us apart, not only from all animals but (evidently) from all other hominids...

As a species, we have an innate belief that truth exists and an innate desire to know it - to be one with it - that is all pervading. Everything that defines us as unique is subject to it.

We seek it, we venerate it, we honour it, we worship it.

Why is it that a species is so afflicted?

Sorry - atheists dont believe in a deity.

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Reply #118 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 9:39am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 8:36am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 2:54pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Picking on the words I use this time of day is just anal.

SOB

Do you have a time slot for truth?

I see. Well its morning now. Your "truth" with its vague definitions (unless I am confusing you with yadda) sounds like your name for a deity. You are welcome to your god but take it out of the atheist section.

SOB

Sorry to disabuse you, but atheists (atheist scientists at least like, yes, Dawkins) do believe in the existence of objective truth.

Do a google.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Worship and Being Human Reply #119 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 9:40am Many Religious Naturalists don't believe in Atheists either.
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