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Reply #150 - May 1^st, 2012 at 11:59am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:48am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:36am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:22am:

You are serious huh. Well if its innate it shouldn't have to be triggered should it. If it was innate everyone would have it wouldnt they. For most it never happens so it isnt innate. Some ppl have what they think is a "need" for some things. For some its a "search for truth". It doesnt mean everyone has.

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A sense of hunger is innate... Should it be triggered all the time or just when you need to eat?

If someone injured a close relative, what lengths would you go, to learn the truth about what happened?

Thats not worship.

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Your post was disputing the manifestation of innate traits.

What would you do if a close relative was injured and was unable to tell you who injured them?

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Reply #151 - May 1^st, 2012 at 12:23pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:59am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:48am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:36am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:22am:

You are serious huh. Well if its innate it shouldn't have to be triggered should it. If it was innate everyone would have it wouldnt they. For most it never happens so it isnt innate. Some ppl have what they think is a "need" for some things. For some its a "search for truth". It doesnt mean everyone has.

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A sense of hunger is innate... Should it be triggered all the time or just when you need to eat?

If someone injured a close relative, what lengths would you go, to learn the truth about what happened?

Thats not worship.

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Your post was disputing the manifestation of innate traits.

What would you do if a close relative was injured and was unable to tell you who injured them?

Leave it to the police. Its happened. Thats what I did.

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Reply #152 - May 1^st, 2012 at 12:25pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:23pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:59am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:48am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:36am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:22am:

You are serious huh. Well if its innate it shouldn't have to be triggered should it. If it was innate everyone would have it wouldnt they. For most it never happens so it isnt innate. Some ppl have what they think is a "need" for some things. For some its a "search for truth". It doesnt mean everyone has.

SOB

A sense of hunger is innate... Should it be triggered all the time or just when you need to eat?

If someone injured a close relative, what lengths would you go, to learn the truth about what happened?

Thats not worship.

SOB

Your post was disputing the manifestation of innate traits.

What would you do if a close relative was injured and was unable to tell you who injured them?

Leave it to the police. Its happened. Thats what I did.

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If the police were unable to uncover the truth, what would you do? How would you feel about not knowing what happened.

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Reply #153 - May 1^st, 2012 at 12:27pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:22am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:11am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 10:29am:

Wait until? So this innate need establishes itself randomly through your life? LOL

Through circumstance, often... Like after a tragedy.

You are serious huh. Well if its innate it shouldn't have to be triggered should it. If it was innate everyone would have it wouldnt they. For most it never happens so it isnt innate. Some ppl have what they think is a "need" for some things. For some its a "search for truth". It doesnt mean everyone has.

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A historical perspective on this issue wouldn't go astray.
For at least two millennia truth was understood through Platonic metaphysics. About 300 years ago the methodology began to change. Truth was still the goal, only how this was to be attained morphed. The natural scientists which arose in Europe during the Renaissance and Enlightenment era took over from the Platonists: No longer was there a perfect "intelligible realm" where truth stood still waiting to be intuited by the mind, truth was to be found through observation, data collection, experiment, hypothesis.
The same fire that ignited the Platonists to find truth ignited the natural scientists, and still ignites us today. Truth, therefore, comes from the same instinct, only the methodology changes.

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Reply #155 - May 1^st, 2012 at 12:30pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:27pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:22am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:11am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 10:29am:

Wait until? So this innate need establishes itself randomly through your life? LOL

Through circumstance, often... Like after a tragedy.

You are serious huh. Well if its innate it shouldn't have to be triggered should it. If it was innate everyone would have it wouldnt they. For most it never happens so it isnt innate. Some ppl have what they think is a "need" for some things. For some its a "search for truth". It doesnt mean everyone has.

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A historical perspective on this issue wouldn't go astray.
For at least two millennia truth was understood through Platonic metaphysics. About 300 years ago the methodology began to change. Truth was still the goal, only how this was to be attained morphed. The natural scientists which arose in Europe during the Renaissance and Enlightenment era took over from the Platonists: No longer was there a perfect "intelligible realm" where truth stood still waiting to be intuited by the mind, truth was to be found through observation, data collection, experiment, hypothesis.
The same fire that ignited the Platonists to find truth ignited the natural scientists, and still ignites us today. Truth, therefore, comes from the same instinct, only the methodology changes.

Still doesnt mean everyone worships it or has a need to worship it.

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Reply #156 - May 1^st, 2012 at 12:31pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:27pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:22am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:11am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 10:29am:

Wait until? So this innate need establishes itself randomly through your life? LOL

Through circumstance, often... Like after a tragedy.

You are serious huh. Well if its innate it shouldn't have to be triggered should it. If it was innate everyone would have it wouldnt they. For most it never happens so it isnt innate. Some ppl have what they think is a "need" for some things. For some its a "search for truth". It doesnt mean everyone has.

SOB

A historical perspective on this issue wouldn't go astray.
For at least two millennia truth was understood through Platonic metaphysics. About 300 years ago the methodology began to change. Truth was still the goal, only how this was to be attained morphed. The natural scientists which arose in Europe during the Renaissance and Enlightenment era took over from the Platonists: No longer was there a perfect "intelligible realm" where truth stood still waiting to be intuited by the mind, truth was to be found through observation, data collection, experiment, hypothesis.
The same fire that ignited the Platonists to find truth ignited the natural scientists, and still ignites us today. Truth, therefore, comes from the same instinct, only the methodology changes.

Still doesnt mean everyone worships it or has a need to worship it.

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Then don't.

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Reply #157 - May 1^st, 2012 at 12:36pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:27pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:22am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:11am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 10:29am:

Wait until? So this innate need establishes itself randomly through your life? LOL

Through circumstance, often... Like after a tragedy.

You are serious huh. Well if its innate it shouldn't have to be triggered should it. If it was innate everyone would have it wouldnt they. For most it never happens so it isnt innate. Some ppl have what they think is a "need" for some things. For some its a "search for truth". It doesnt mean everyone has.

SOB

A historical perspective on this issue wouldn't go astray.
For at least two millennia truth was understood through Platonic metaphysics. About 300 years ago the methodology began to change. Truth was still the goal, only how this was to be attained morphed. The natural scientists which arose in Europe during the Renaissance and Enlightenment era took over from the Platonists: No longer was there a perfect "intelligible realm" where truth stood still waiting to be intuited by the mind, truth was to be found through observation, data collection, experiment, hypothesis.
The same fire that ignited the Platonists to find truth ignited the natural scientists, and still ignites us today. Truth, therefore, comes from the same instinct, only the methodology changes.

And, of course, religion itself has its genesis in the same fire...

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Reply #158 - May 1^st, 2012 at 12:40pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:36pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:27pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:22am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 11:11am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 10:29am:

Wait until? So this innate need establishes itself randomly through your life? LOL

Through circumstance, often... Like after a tragedy.

You are serious huh. Well if its innate it shouldn't have to be triggered should it. If it was innate everyone would have it wouldnt they. For most it never happens so it isnt innate. Some ppl have what they think is a "need" for some things. For some its a "search for truth". It doesnt mean everyone has.

SOB

A historical perspective on this issue wouldn't go astray.
For at least two millennia truth was understood through Platonic metaphysics. About 300 years ago the methodology began to change. Truth was still the goal, only how this was to be attained morphed. The natural scientists which arose in Europe during the Renaissance and Enlightenment era took over from the Platonists: No longer was there a perfect "intelligible realm" where truth stood still waiting to be intuited by the mind, truth was to be found through observation, data collection, experiment, hypothesis.
The same fire that ignited the Platonists to find truth ignited the natural scientists, and still ignites us today. Truth, therefore, comes from the same instinct, only the methodology changes.

And, of course, religion itself has its genesis in the same fire...

Yes, sorry, I should have stated that. Christianity is a form of neo-Platonism.

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Reply #159 - May 1^st, 2012 at 1:04pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Still doesnt mean everyone worships it or has a need to worship it.

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Although for someone who claims he believes in nothing, and does not acknowledge the central role the concept of truth plays within the human psyche, you've just spent your time reading through and contributing to the current 11 pages of this topic defending what you believe to be true.

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Reply #160 - May 1^st, 2012 at 1:07pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 1:04pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Still doesnt mean everyone worships it or has a need to worship it.

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Although for someone who claims he believes in nothing, and does not acknowledge the central role the concept of truth plays within the human psyche, you've just spent your time reading through and contributing to the current 11 pages of this topic defending what you believe to be true.

That is not worship.

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Reply #161 - May 1^st, 2012 at 1:14pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 1:07pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 1:04pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Still doesnt mean everyone worships it or has a need to worship it.

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Although for someone who claims he believes in nothing, and does not acknowledge the central role the concept of truth plays within the human psyche, you've just spent your time reading through and contributing to the current 11 pages of this topic defending what you believe to be true.

That is not worship.

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You'd have to admit though, that your sense of what you believe to be true and your need to defend it is acute.

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Reply #162 - May 1^st, 2012 at 2:11pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 1:07pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 1:04pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Still doesnt mean everyone worships it or has a need to worship it.

SOB

Although for someone who claims he believes in nothing, and does not acknowledge the central role the concept of truth plays within the human psyche, you've just spent your time reading through and contributing to the current 11 pages of this topic defending what you believe to be true.

That is not worship.

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You'd have to admit though, that your sense of what you believe to be true and your need to defend it is acute.

No. I dont have to admit anything of the sort. I post here cause it gives me something to do. If I went to do soemthing else I would not give you another thought.

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Reply #163 - May 1^st, 2012 at 2:57pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 2:11pm:

No. I dont have to admit anything of the sort. I post here cause it gives me something to do. If I went to do soemthing else I would not give you another thought.

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I'm sure that I'm not the reason you post here... And, yes, you could have chosen to do something else... But you chose to post here over a number of days defending what you believe to be true.

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Reply #164 - May 1^st, 2012 at 3:13pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 2:57pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 2:11pm:

No. I dont have to admit anything of the sort. I post here cause it gives me something to do. If I went to do soemthing else I would not give you another thought.

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I'm sure that I'm not the reason you post here... And, yes, you could have chosen to do something else... But you chose to post here over a number of days defending what you believe to be true.

What is your point? You keep assigning motives to me and you think you know what I am thinking but i assure you i am not worshiping anything. You are not that important. I have posted in 3 forums over the last few weeks and I have made a lot of posts. Most of them not very serious even. I tend to not just piss off and not answer a question though and you keep asking them.

Having an opinion is not "worshiping truth". I disagree that we have any innate need to worship. You may have such a need though. Some may I dont know.

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