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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Worship and Being Human Reply #165 - May 1^st, 2012 at 4:17pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 3:13pm: What is your point? My point is you spend a lot of time defending what you believe to be true for someone who claims he believes in nothing, his opinions are superficial, absent of truth and change with the wind.
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Reply #166 - May 1^st, 2012 at 4:19pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 3:13pm:

What is your point?

My point is you spend a lot of time defending what you believe to be true for someone who claims he believes in nothing, his opinions are superficial, absent of truth and change with the wind.

lol. Well you will believe whatever you want to believe.

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Reply #167 - May 1^st, 2012 at 4:31pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 3:13pm:

What is your point?

My point is you spend a lot of time defending what you believe to be true for someone who claims he believes in nothing, his opinions are superficial, absent of truth and change with the wind.

lol. Well you will believe whatever you want to believe.

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I'm making an observation and quoting what you have posted of yourself, so I guess I'm summarising what you say you believe of yourself.

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Reply #168 - May 1^st, 2012 at 4:34pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 3:13pm:

What is your point?

My point is you spend a lot of time defending what you believe to be true for someone who claims he believes in nothing, his opinions are superficial, absent of truth and change with the wind.

lol. Well you will believe whatever you want to believe.

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I'm making an observation and quoting what you have posted of yourself, so I guess I'm summarising what you say you believe of yourself.

Still not letting it go i see. You ignored my post before last. Hence the "lol".

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Reply #169 - May 1^st, 2012 at 4:42pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 3:13pm:

What is your point?

My point is you spend a lot of time defending what you believe to be true for someone who claims he believes in nothing, his opinions are superficial, absent of truth and change with the wind.

lol. Well you will believe whatever you want to believe.

SOB

I'm making an observation and quoting what you have posted of yourself, so I guess I'm summarising what you say you believe of yourself.

Still not letting it go i see. You ignored my post before last. Hence the "lol".

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Yeah I read it, I just don't believe you.

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Reply #170 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 7:14am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 12:30pm:

It is also interesting and important to note that scientists too try and find "things in-themselves," that is, they try and pin down absolute conclusions to phenomena under investigation. Such an endeavour reverts back to a form of Platonism.

With the ultimate thing-in-itself being the 'Absolutum Veritas' - the object of the quest for the 'Theory of Everything'.

The greatest of human endeavours is and has always been the quest for absolute truth - uniting science and religion with this, their singular reason for being.

The greatest human object of worship.

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Reply #171 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:52am

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 3:13pm:

What is your point?

My point is you spend a lot of time defending what you believe to be true for someone who claims he believes in nothing, his opinions are superficial, absent of truth and change with the wind.

Let's be fair. Atheists can believe in just about anything, except for anything that's called god. Of course there is nothing actually preventing an atheist from believing in magic and goblins in terms of the definition of the word.

If a person doesn't believe in god, but believed that Hans Christian Andersen fairy stories are literally correct, would he still be an atheist? Of course he would.

- and I know that you use the even more ambiguous term "non-believer", SoB.

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Reply #172 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:59am

muso wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:52am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 1^st, 2012 at 3:13pm:

What is your point?

My point is you spend a lot of time defending what you believe to be true for someone who claims he believes in nothing, his opinions are superficial, absent of truth and change with the wind.

Let's be fair. Atheists can believe in just about anything, except for anything that's called god. There are loopholes of course in that definition.

Thats fair enough. Doesnt mean all atheists believe in something though. It also doesnt mean atheists "worship" anything. Intense study is not worship either.

If I was searching for "truth" or "the meaning of life" I wouldn't be looking in a forum anyway.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26510 Australia	Re: Worship and Being Human Reply #173 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:02am - and I know that you use the even more ambiguous term "non-believer", SoB. There shouldn't need to be a term for the default position. We are born not believing anything and then some of us are told fairy tales and some of us believe them. Not sure where the ambiguity comes into it. SOB
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Reply #174 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:09am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:02am:

We are born not believing anything and then some of us are told fairy tales and some of us believe them.

No baby is born with a language fully developed either but, due to human innate predisposition for acquiring language skills with (possibly) an innate sense of grammar, that baby will have acquired language skills by 2 years old.

We are born, I believe, with a predisposition towards an intense desire for the apprehension of truth which develops as we grow.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Worship and Being Human Reply #176 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:24am muso wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:52am: Let's be fair. Atheists can believe in just about anything, except for anything that's called god. With SOB, however, he appears to believe that truth and its quest are entirely theistic issues. Truth, for him it seems, only exists (and as a chimera) in the realm of religion.
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Reply #177 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:28am

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:09am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:02am:

We are born not believing anything and then some of us are told fairy tales and some of us believe them.

No baby is born with a language fully developed either but, due to human innate predisposition for acquiring language skills with (possibly) an innate sense of grammar, that baby will have acquired language skills by 2 years old.

We are born, I believe, with a predisposition towards an intense desire for the apprehension of truth which develops as we grow.

No that is called instinct. Also I dont think "grammar" is a predisposition either since its different in different cultures. Completely different. It has to be learned. If it was innate we would be able to learn other languages more easily than we do.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26510 Australia	Re: Worship and Being Human Reply #178 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:29am NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:12am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:59am: If I was searching for "truth" or "the meaning of life" I wouldn't be looking in a forum anyway. Where would you be looking? How should I know? Im not on a quest for "truth". SOB
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Reply #179 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:30am

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:24am:

muso wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:52am:

Let's be fair. Atheists can believe in just about anything, except for anything that's called god.

With SOB, however, he appears to believe that truth and its quest are entirely theistic issues. Truth, for him it seems, only exists (and as a chimera) in the realm of religion.

Northern defined it as theistic.

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