We are motivated towards apprehending a sense of meaning by fear of death.

We are motivated towards apprehending truth by our abhorrence of doubt.

The inevitability of Death and doubt. Even the best of us do not live easily with either.

Soren wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:55am:


"unity of the whole"? Science?

SOB

Soren wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:55am:



Of prime importance to the function of what we know as 'the universe' is the validity of,
1/ truth and,
2/ those 'cosmic' laws, which constrain and maintain the order of 'the universe'.

Without that essential truth and without those essential laws, the universe, and our world would be subject to unending catastrophic chaos.

But thankfully, chaotic circumstances [eventually] work themselves out, into a semblance of order.

e.g.
If you drop an egg off the edge of a precipice, some moments of 'chaos' will follow, ......but that moment of chaos will soon be 'resolved' - because eggs hanging in air, over a precipice, cannot ignore the law of gravity.

But do these circumstance, and these truths, mean [suggest] that a god [a creator] is absent from the universe, and that what we [humans, now] subsequently observe is merely the the aftermath of a period of the chaos of the 'creation' of our 'universe' ???

Well, the atheists will all concur that that is true [i am sure].          

No need to worry yourself about a creator God.

The earth was made of a 'compilation' of cosmic matter which found itself within our solar system.

And we humans [and all other living creatures] evolved from what were once molten rocks on the surface of the earth.

My great, great, great, great, great, great, granddaddy was a molten rock.

Hey, we all once, were just lifeless particles at the centre of the 'big bang'!

You know that it is true!





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Within the 'cosmos', it is [imposed] 'laws' which end and constrain chaos.

We either choose to believe that that statement is true, or, we don't.

Me, i believe it.

I believe in order, and i believe in those laws, which compel order within the cosmos.iNorthOfNorth wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 9:26am:



Yup, that is correct.       

That is what 'it' is all about.

Hey, conviction is the art of being certain.



And hey, i have found my 'certainty'.


John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.




And why are some people willing believe in faerie tales, while many others are 'realists' ???

Well, really, i suspect, that what we are able to believe often comes down to our base motives.

Some people can 'believe' in an ordered [and created] universe.

Whereas, some other people have a gaining in mind.

I can't 'explain' it [the divergence of 'belief'], any other way.



Yadda - believer in faerie tales.

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:



Yes, i happily concede.





But i have not lived your life.

And i have not seen this world, through your eyes.

Yet, i still know something of the 'human experience',   ....but just from another perspective.



What would muso say, what is his way of putting it ???

I've seen the world from another 'mountain top', but not necessarily from one with a better view of the truth.

Yes, i concede that.

In the end there is only the human genetic predisposition towards worship of the divine, without any certain apprehension of truth for doing so.

Yadda wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 1:44am:




John 8:39
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40  But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41  Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42  Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43  Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



Matthew 13:14
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 6:44am:




Conviction is the art of being certain




NoN,

Your sig line seems so inappropriate.

Perhaps you could change it to ?.....

'The indestructible ubiquity of doubt, cannot be doubted.'


         





Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
25  That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;