muso wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

All true, no doubt... No one could (nor should) deny that biology underlies our capacity to even have innate desires. The manifestation of worship (as defined above) of truth, is only evident in homo sapiens, however.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 11:43am:


They always will. It's quite amusing to watch debates between "atheists" and Christians being fully aware that they are each operating under different definitions.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Neanderthals didn't pursue other things (at least there's no evidence that they did much else than cater for immediate survival). There is, however, evidence that early homo sapiens did. Why was that?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

So you wouldn't be too concerned about cliff edges then?

muso wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 11:49am:


Yeah

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

That is precisely a definition of belief.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

You said: "Generalisations piss me off".

I say "If they piss you off, then they must piss you off for a reason". i.e. For them to piss you off, you must have a (perhaps intense) desire for something beyond generalisations.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 12:07pm:


Okay @ belief but belief has connotations. I will use my word thanks.

I wouldn't go that far with generalisations. I certainly wouldn't call it "intense". Its just that they are wrong in most cases and nearly all cases where I have seen them used in this forum. Ppl dont fit in those boxes.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

Yes, I'm reclaiming terms from religiosity as the most forefront atheist thinkers, such as Hitchens, Dawkins and Dennett, have done.

I can easily accept your definitions, where you make them. However, the one in this thread you have made, is that for 'opinion', which you then define exactly as 'belief'. How am I to differentiate what you mean by 'opinion' with what I define as 'belief'?
All you say is that belief "has connotations", by that I'm guessing you mean religious connotations. I can accept that 'belief' (as you would define it) does not mean 'religious belief'. So far, though, all you've done is give me a synonym for belief.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 10:42am:


Human beings believe all sorts of things. It's impossible not to without conducting day to day affairs.
Our "need to learn" quickly morphs into the "belief in things." The more these beliefs are believed as true, the more "objective" they become.