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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #180 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:45am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:30am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:24am:

muso wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:52am:

Let's be fair. Atheists can believe in just about anything, except for anything that's called god.

With SOB, however, he appears to believe that truth and its quest are entirely theistic issues. Truth, for him it seems, only exists (and as a chimera) in the realm of religion.

Northern defined it as theistic.

SOB

Did I mention god at all?

I'm not sure what it is with you... Somehow truth, for you, can only mean god... And you're dogmatic about it.

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Reply #181 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:52am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:29am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:59am:

If I was searching for "truth" or "the meaning of life" I wouldn't be looking in a forum anyway.

Where would you be looking?

How should I know? Im not on a quest for "truth".

SOB

And yet you know you wouldn't look in a forum?

"How do I get to Limerick?"
"Oh, you want to go to Limerick?"
"Yes."
"Well, I wouldn't start from here."

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Reply #182 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:56am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:28am:

No that is called instinct. Also I dont think "grammar" is a predisposition either since its different in different cultures. Completely different. It has to be learned. If it was innate we would be able to learn other languages more easily than we do.

Instinct is a predisposition (y'know as in predisposed).

Read Chomsky on the human predisposition towards understanding grammar.

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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #183 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 10:11am

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:30am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:24am:

muso wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:52am:

Let's be fair. Atheists can believe in just about anything, except for anything that's called god.

With SOB, however, he appears to believe that truth and its quest are entirely theistic issues. Truth, for him it seems, only exists (and as a chimera) in the realm of religion.

Northern defined it as theistic.

SOB

Did I mention god at all?

I'm not sure what it is with you... Somehow truth, for you, can only mean god... And you're dogmatic about it.

You described truth as a deity. You didnt say it was a deity.

This whole thread is about you trying to change the common understood meanings of words though and I dont like semantics too much. Maybe you dont mean a deity but you certainly sound like it.

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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #184 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 10:13am

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:52am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:29am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:59am:

If I was searching for "truth" or "the meaning of life" I wouldn't be looking in a forum anyway.

Where would you be looking?

How should I know? Im not on a quest for "truth".

SOB

And yet you know you wouldn't look in a forum?

"How do I get to Limerick?"
"Oh, you want to go to Limerick?"
"Yes."
"Well, I wouldn't start from here."

Well you got me there. I have come to this forum - to this thread - to find your truth.

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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #185 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 10:45am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 10:11am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:30am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:24am:

muso wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 8:52am:

Let's be fair. Atheists can believe in just about anything, except for anything that's called god.

With SOB, however, he appears to believe that truth and its quest are entirely theistic issues. Truth, for him it seems, only exists (and as a chimera) in the realm of religion.

Northern defined it as theistic.

SOB

Did I mention god at all?

I'm not sure what it is with you... Somehow truth, for you, can only mean god... And you're dogmatic about it.

You described truth as a deity. You didnt say it was a deity.

This whole thread is about you trying to change the common understood meanings of words though and I dont like semantics too much. Maybe you dont mean a deity but you certainly sound like it.

SOB

I have never described truth as a deity. That's you as a result of your narrow comprehension of truth.

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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #186 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:35am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:02am:

- and I know that you use the even more ambiguous term "non-believer", SoB.

There shouldn't need to be a term for the default position. We are born not believing anything and then some of us are told fairy tales and some of us believe them.

Not sure where the ambiguity comes into it.

SOB

Non belief in the default position? "Non believer" assumes the subject. The subject, by convention is god, but the term can be applied to anything. As traditional religion continues to fade away, we'll soon have to use a more useful term.

I prefer to frame my worldview in a positive way rather than stating what I don't believe. Non belief just conveys what you don't believe, which is very narrow.

Example: How much is that cake?

Answer: It isn't $5.

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Reply #188 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:44am

muso wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:35am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:02am:

- and I know that you use the even more ambiguous term "non-believer", SoB.

There shouldn't need to be a term for the default position. We are born not believing anything and then some of us are told fairy tales and some of us believe them.

Not sure where the ambiguity comes into it.

SOB

Non belief in the default position? "Non believer" assumes the subject. The subject, by convention is god, but the term can be applied to anything. As traditional religion continues to fade away, we'll soon have to use a more useful term.

I prefer to frame my worldview in a positive way rather than stating what I don't believe. Non belief just conveys what you don't believe, which is very narrow.

Example: How much is that cake?

Answer: It isn't $5.

Or:

How much is that cake?
It's $5.
I don't believe in money.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Worship and Being Human Reply #190 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:50am A little girl, whose parents were atheists, was crying over the fact that her kitten had died. A religious family friend said to her "Don't worry dear, your kitten is with Jesus now" The little girl wrinkled her nose and said "What would Jesus want with a dead cat?"
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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #191 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:55am

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:35am:

My narrow comprehension of your redefinition of the word.

SOB

No. It's parochialism.

Treat this as a free consultation, if you like.

Really free?
- Like sugar free? - contains no consultation.
- Clothing Free? - Consultation done in the nude
- Alcohol free zone - You are not free to drink during the consultation
or a free man? - you get to walk away afterwards.

Remember, I don't believe in money, and besides, it's too narrow a definition of the word anyway Wink

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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #192 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 12:04pm

muso wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:35am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 9:02am:

- and I know that you use the even more ambiguous term "non-believer", SoB.

There shouldn't need to be a term for the default position. We are born not believing anything and then some of us are told fairy tales and some of us believe them.

Not sure where the ambiguity comes into it.

SOB

Non belief in the default position? "Non believer" assumes the subject. The subject, by convention is god, but the term can be applied to anything. As traditional religion continues to fade away, we'll soon have to use a more useful term.

I prefer to frame my worldview in a positive way rather than stating what I don't believe. Non belief just conveys what you don't believe, which is very narrow.

Example: How much is that cake?

Answer: It isn't $5.

Yes I agree. But for some reason the religious seem to want to label everyone else. @ least if I choose a label they dont get to do it.

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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #193 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 12:12pm

muso wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:55am:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:35am:

My narrow comprehension of your redefinition of the word.

SOB

No. It's parochialism.

Treat this as a free consultation, if you like.

Really free?
- Like sugar free? - contains no consultation.
- Clothing Free? - Consultation done in the nude
- Alcohol free zone - You are not free to drink during the consultation
or a free man? - you get to walk away afterwards.

Remember, I don't believe in money, and besides, it's too narrow a definition of the word anyway Wink

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Re: Worship and Being Human
Reply #194 - May 2^nd, 2012 at 12:54pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 11:35am:

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I have never described truth as a deity. That's you as a result of your narrow comprehension of truth.

My narrow comprehension of your redefinition of the word.

Ahh... Truth is more than just the expression of religiosity... How does, say, I dunno, a court operate without a knowledge of the concept of truth.. Or should it be "Do you swear to speak religion, the who religion and nothing but religion?"...

Do you have any concept of truth other than a primary school understanding of its relationship to religiosity?

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