Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 1:07pm:

And facts do not contain truth? Define a fact that does not include truth.

Are you an idiot?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 2:02pm:

Facts are more important than truth?

Facts that don't contain truth are not facts.

You really are an idiot.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 2:08pm:

So you agree facts contain truth now... Good.

So (are you ready for the big step?) truth is more than a religious concept then? And has application beyond religiosity?

muso wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 2:43pm:

Including the statement above?

The statement below is the truth.
The statement above is a lie.

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 2:16pm:


We have been through this already. Scroll back through all the posts if you must. I dont know what it is you want me to day so i will just repeat this:

I do not worship the truth. You can if you want but I do not.

SOB

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 3:15pm:


IMO a lot of religious nutz do this. Its called "doublethink".

SOB

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 2^nd, 2012 at 3:15pm:


Yes it would.  We are all capable of impressive feats in self-deception. I'll explain subsequently, but to start with,  you can believe something that is false thinking it to be true. It's commonly called a misconception. In the early 19th century a lot of eminent scientists believed that spontaneous generation was true. That was the concept that life sprung into being from nowhere - for example rotting meat gave rise to maggots.

Maybe I should have said that belief is separate from truth. Belief is centred in perception, and a perceived belief that turns out to be false was never the truth.

Getting back to traditional religion, some people believe in birth of Christ from a virgin, even though theologists will point out that this stems from an attempt to align with a mistranslated prophecy from Isaiah in which the Hebrew word alma (young woman of child-bearing age) was mistranslated to the Greek parthenos meaning a virgin.

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Getting back to these everyday impressive feats, people quite commonly believe things that they know to be false. It's called denial. You'll see many of examples of that on this board, and they fail to see that they directly contradict themselves. On one board, we have a person who claims that 911 was the work of the Israeli Mossad, a couple of posts later, he is saying that it was a justified attack.

Self deception is rather common. It's a result of the human condition.

eg  - This icecream is delicious. It must be good for my health
        My girlfriend is perfect. She can do no wrong

Let me rephrase - Belief is often connected to truth, but not necessarily.

How often have you heard people saying "my heart tells me yes, but my head tells me no."