Australian Politics Forum - Should women be allowed to fight on the front line

chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12171 Armidale Gender:	Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line Reply #30 - May 4^th, 2012 at 9:00pm Front line means Woirld War I and bayonet and shovel fights. These days its drones fired by a coffee and keyboard person. Or armoured vehicle passenger. The navy don't really use swords except as surprise tactics .
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Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line
Reply #31 - May 5^th, 2012 at 7:36am

falah wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

...and prisons? If we take all this 'equality' business really seriously, are we going to stop segregating male and female prisoners?

It makes a mockery of "equal" rights to not desegregate the prison population.

Maybe it would stop the non-consential male/male sex that is prevalent in virtually all prisons?

I don't have an issue with women choosing whatever they want to do in life.

There are plenty of women in mining these days, some even work underground, but .....let's just say that they'd be welcomed with open arms by the mayor of Mount Isa. Nothing wrong with female miners. Many of them have rugged good looks. They'd make a good husband for somebody. Tongue

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12171 Armidale Gender:	Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line Reply #32 - May 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am "are we going to stop segregating male and female prisoners?" Muslims are getting sloppy with female control and discipline. Women are allowed out on the street without a muzzle and chain and get in the way of pedestrians. Council car-parking inspectors should enforce the female leash rules.
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Reply #33 - May 5^th, 2012 at 8:10am

chimera wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

"are we going to stop segregating male and female prisoners?"
Muslims are getting sloppy with female control and discipline. Women are allowed out on the street without a muzzle and chain and get in the way of pedestrians. Council car-parking inspectors should enforce the female leash rules.

I think my council do. I've seen a couple of young lasses being led by their male owners. They seem to favour the wide collar with studs and and a chain type leash. The women don't seem to mind. I suppose it's better than having to think for yourself.

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Reply #34 - May 5^th, 2012 at 8:20am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 8:10am:

chimera wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

"are we going to stop segregating male and female prisoners?"
Muslims are getting sloppy with female control and discipline. Women are allowed out on the street without a muzzle and chain and get in the way of pedestrians. Council car-parking inspectors should enforce the female leash rules.

I think my council do. I've seen a couple of young lasses being led by their male owners. They seem to favour the wide collar with studs and and a chain type leash. The women don't seem to mind. I suppose it's better than having to think for yourself.

I wouldn't advise you to wear a collar and lead down the street old girl. The council ranger would have to check that you are micro chipped.

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Reply #35 - May 5^th, 2012 at 8:47am

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

It is a stereotype. SOME women are as strong and even stronger than SOME men. Jesus.

Yes, but those men are what we in the business refer to as 'wusses" (among other terms) They won't pass the basic requirements of the army, and should really consider handing back their Y chromosome. They are irrelevant to both this argument, and life in general.

Although strength isn't the right measure, as a baalnce is needed between strength and endurance. There are 6 foot 5, 200kg "women" in the world who have the strength you'd expect of someone their size. But, it ain't much good if you've also got the endurance associated with someone that size.

Whatever you want to say about "wusses" etc my comment still holds. the women that go to the front line are capable of doing the job or they wouldn't be sent there.

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Reply #36 - May 5^th, 2012 at 8:49am

How about men shouldn't be allowed on the front lines?

1. men need to wank twice a day
2. men have erections and can only piss vertically and the fountain shows the enemy their location
3. when ordered to put their helmets away men often get confused and remove their head protection thus exposiing themselves to danger

Heh the reasons are just as silly. There are prolly a lot more reasons too.

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Reply #37 - May 5^th, 2012 at 8:55am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

Read what i said. I said basic traing AND ALL THE EXERCISES NEEDED jesus. I never claimed any "military experience" so your insults are lost on me there because you have no idea if i have or not.

It is a stereotype. SOME women are as strong and even stronger than SOME men. Jesus.

What has it got to do with labour? Either party would do this because its a natural progression in human rights. Everyone should have the chance to die.

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I did read what you wrote, and it is still wrong. because they don't have the capacity to "finish all the exercises needed" what ever the hell that means.

You just don't grasp the fact that a female soldier does not need to be as good as the average male but needs to be as good as the average soldier and that is vastly different. Which is why they will never be good enough for combat roles.

BTW I can tell that you have NEVER even considered serving your country let alone put on a uniform. Grin

Your are right everyone should have the right to serve their country, but no-one should die because of some leftard social experiment designed to make idiots feel good about themselves.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line Reply #38 - May 5^th, 2012 at 9:35am In my unit we had 5 girls total. They were excellent, part of team and very good with shooting. They did not enter frontline and not go in to Gaza with us in Cast Lead but they do all else. I like girls in the army they are great teammates.
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Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line
Reply #39 - May 5^th, 2012 at 9:52am

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 8:55am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

Read what i said. I said basic traing AND ALL THE EXERCISES NEEDED jesus. I never claimed any "military experience" so your insults are lost on me there because you have no idea if i have or not.

It is a stereotype. SOME women are as strong and even stronger than SOME men. Jesus.

What has it got to do with labour? Either party would do this because its a natural progression in human rights. Everyone should have the chance to die.

SOB

I did read what you wrote, and it is still wrong. because they don't have the capacity to "finish all the exercises needed" what ever the hell that means.

You just don't grasp the fact that a female soldier does not need to be as good as the average male but needs to be as good as the average soldier and that is vastly different. Which is why they will never be good enough for combat roles.

BTW I can tell that you have NEVER even considered serving your country let alone put on a uniform. Grin

Your are right everyone should have the right to serve their country, but no-one should die because of some leftard social experiment designed to make idiots feel good about themselves.

What do your reckon about it bigol?

Always curious to know what someone who actually served thinks about it.

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Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line
Reply #40 - May 5^th, 2012 at 9:56am

Is it really safe to have men and women living together in close quarters (bearing in mind that the military is often the refuge of the dregs of society, who can't make it in the civilian world)?

Should public toilets be de-segregated?

The U.S. military's 'rape epidemic'

http://theweek.com/article/index/212187/the-us-militarys-rape-epidemic

Rape in the US military: America's dirty little secret

A female soldier in Iraq is more likely to be attacked by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military

"Invisible War" exposes widespread rape in U.S. military

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/22/us-sundance-military-idUSTRE80L0YS2012...

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Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line
Reply #41 - May 5^th, 2012 at 10:02am

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The Plight of Women Soldiers

In 2003, a survey of female veterans found that 30 percent said they were raped in the military. A 2004 study of veterans who were seeking help for post-traumatic stress disorder found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while serving. And a 1995 study of female veterans of the Gulf and earlier wars, found that 90 percent had been sexually harassed.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103844570

1/3rd of Women in US Military Raped

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/01/26/13rd-of-women-in-us-military-raped/

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line Reply #42 - May 5^th, 2012 at 10:03am That's why Obama legalised beastiality in the military, to give the humans a break.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49506 At my desk.	Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line Reply #43 - May 5^th, 2012 at 10:15am Falah, is it true that Islam legalises the rape of female soldiers caught in battle?
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12171 Armidale Gender:	Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line Reply #44 - May 5^th, 2012 at 10:28am falah wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 9:56am: (bearing in mind that the military is often the refuge of the dregs of society, who can't make it in the civilian world)? Most interesting. Taliban Al Qaeda jihadis Hamas Mohammed.
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