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Question: Should Women be Allowed to Fight ont he Front Lines?



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Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line
Reply #45 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:35am
 
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:15am:
Falah, is it true that Islam legalises the rape of female soldiers caught in battle?



Islam - Lovely bunch of people.....
Fking sick pr*cks, they deserve the same.


A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia first pleaded for her life, a witness has told the BBC.

"Don't kill me, don't kill me," she said, according to the man who wanted to remain anonymous. A few minutes later, more than 50 men threw stones.

Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13-year-old girl who had been raped.

Initial reports had said she was a 23-year-old woman who had confessed to adultery before a Sharia court.

Numerous eye-witnesses say she was forced into a hole, buried up to her neck then pelted with stones until she died in front of more than 1,000 people last week.

Cameras were banned from the stoning in Kismayo, but print and radio journalists who were allowed to attend estimated that the woman, Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, was 23 years old.

However, Amnesty said it had learned she was 13, and that her father had said she was raped by three men.
When the family tried to report the rape, the girl was accused of adultery and detained, Amnesty said.


Meanwhile, Islamists in the capital, Mogadishu have carried out a public flogging.
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Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line
Reply #46 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:36am
 
chimera wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:28am:
falah wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 9:56am:
(bearing in mind that the military is often the refuge of the dregs of society, who can't make it in the civilian world)?

Most interesting. Taliban Al Qaeda jihadis Hamas Mohammed.


It is West where military participation is voluntary. it is the US and Australia which invades other countries. It is difficult to see how anyone other than racist scumbags and retards would want to join the Australian army when it is invading countries for US and Israeli purposes.

In the US, there is little welfare, so the poor often have little choice but to join the army. The same cannot be said of Australia.
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Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line
Reply #47 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:37am
 
Stoning to death a 13 year old girl for being raped.

You fking sick pr*cks.
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Reply #48 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:46am
 
Taliban Al Qaeda Hamas Mohammed were voluntary soldiers.
Iraq soldiers invaded Kuwait and Iran. West Pakistan massacred East Pakistan at separation, after the massacres of Indian partition. Syria invaded Lebanon. Turkey invaded every one.
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Reply #49 - May 5th, 2012 at 11:19am
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 8:55am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 6:32pm:
Read what i said. I said basic traing AND ALL THE EXERCISES NEEDED jesus. I never claimed any "military experience" so your insults are lost on me there because you have no idea if i have or not.

It is a stereotype. SOME women are as strong and even stronger than SOME men. Jesus.

What has it got to do with labour? Either party would do this because its a natural progression in human rights. Everyone should have the chance to die.

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I did read what you wrote, and it is still wrong. because they don't have the capacity to "finish all the exercises needed" what ever the hell that means.

You just don't grasp the fact that a female soldier does not need to be as good as the average male but needs to be as good as the average soldier and that is vastly different. Which is why they will never be good enough for combat roles.

BTW I can tell that you have NEVER even considered serving your country let alone put on a uniform.   Grin


Your are right everyone should have the right to serve their country, but no-one should die because of some leftard social experiment designed to make idiots feel good about themselves.



You are obviously wrong if there are women there.

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Reply #50 - May 5th, 2012 at 12:17pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:35am:
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:15am:
Falah, is it true that Islam legalises the rape of female soldiers caught in battle?



Islam - Lovely bunch of people.....
Fking sick pr*cks, they deserve the same.


A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia first pleaded for her life, a witness has told the BBC.

"Don't kill me, don't kill me," she said, according to the man who wanted to remain anonymous. A few minutes later, more than 50 men threw stones.

Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13-year-old girl who had been raped.

Initial reports had said she was a 23-year-old woman who had confessed to adultery before a Sharia court.

Numerous eye-witnesses say she was forced into a hole, buried up to her neck then pelted with stones until she died in front of more than 1,000 people last week.

Cameras were banned from the stoning in Kismayo, but print and radio journalists who were allowed to attend estimated that the woman, Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, was 23 years old.

However, Amnesty said it had learned she was 13, and that her father had said she was raped by three men.
When the family tried to report the rape, the girl was accused of adultery and detained, Amnesty said.


Meanwhile, Islamists in the capital, Mogadishu have carried out a public flogging.


The Shabab Government and eyewitnesses said the woman was 23 years-old.

The Shabab Government said the woman confessed to adultery.


Andrei, seeing how you cite an Amnesty report, do you think that Amnesty is a credible sourse of information?

If so, do you also agree with Amnesty's assessment that Israel committed war crimes in Gaza?
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Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line
Reply #51 - May 5th, 2012 at 12:25pm
 
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:15am:
Falah, is it true that Islam legalises the rape of female soldiers caught in battle?


No. I think that you are thinking of Jewish religion:

IDF colonel-rabbi implies: Rape is permitted in war

http://972mag.com/idf-colonel-rabbi-implies-rape-is-permitted-in-war/39535/
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Reply #52 - May 5th, 2012 at 1:12pm
 
So why does Abu think it is legal? Is he from a different school of Islamic thought?

What is the Islamic punishment for raping a slave?
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Reply #53 - May 5th, 2012 at 1:19pm
 
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 1:12pm:
So why does Abu think it is legal? Is he from a different school of Islamic thought?

What is the Islamic punishment for raping a slave?


WTH has this got to do with women fighting on the front line?

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Reply #54 - May 5th, 2012 at 1:48pm
 
Islamic law permits women caught in battle to be enslaved. Which means raped. A female slave is pretty much a sex slave.

So it is understandable that Muslims think the idea of female soldiers is ghastly. In Islam, women are meant to be the prize, not the fight.

These are things you have to consider in sending women off to fight in the middle east, or when a Muslim Australian condemns the practice.
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Reply #55 - May 5th, 2012 at 1:54pm
 
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 1:48pm:
Islamic law permits women caught in battle to be enslaved. Which means raped. A female slave is pretty much a sex slave.


Can you provide proof for your lies Freeliar.
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Reply #56 - May 5th, 2012 at 2:08pm
 
How about your response to my question about the Islamic punishment for raping a slave?

You are the Muslim. Why are you asking me to tell you what Islamic law is?
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Reply #57 - May 5th, 2012 at 2:11pm
 
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 2:08pm:
How about your response to my question about the Islamic punishment for raping a slave?

You are the Muslim. Why are you asking me to tell you what Islamic law is?


Can you explain why you are obsessed with a non-existent Islamic permission to rape, while you totally ignore the Israeli army rabbi saying that Jews can rape?
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Reply #58 - May 5th, 2012 at 2:14pm
 
Abu has already said that Islam legalises rape. You even said yourself that Islamic courts do not punish rapists in some circumstances.

Let's put it this way:

Falah, what is the proper Islamic punishment for raping a slave?

Or raping your own wife?
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Reply #59 - May 5th, 2012 at 2:29pm
 
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
Abu has already said that Islam legalises rape. You even said yourself that Islamic courts do not punish rapists in some circumstances.

Let's put it this way:

Falah, what is the proper Islamic punishment for raping a slave?

Or raping your own wife?



And whosoever disobeys God and His Messenger, and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment...Forbidden it is to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them (women) with harshness...live with them (women) on a footing of kindness...
[The Quran, an-Nisaa (the Women), v.14-9]


And among His (God's) signs is this, that He created for you wives from among yourselves, that you may find serenity in them, and He has ordained between you affection and mercy. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who reflect.
[Quran, ar-Rum, v.31]


...And force not your female slaves into sexual service, if they desire chastity...
[Quran an-Noor, v.33]



On many occasions Prophet Muhammed said: "I commend you to be good to women"

He also said:

Treat women well! (Bukhari & Muslim)


‘The most perfect of believers in belief is one who is best of them in character. The best of you are those who are the best to their women." (Tirmidhi)



Now let us contrast this to the Bible which encourages actually encourages rape and murder of women:


Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "...They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
[Numbers 31:7-18]


If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
[Deuteronomy 22:28-29]


When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.   (Exodus 21:7-11

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house.  But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb.  After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife.  However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
[Deuteronomy 21:10-14] [/quote]
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