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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Socialism May 5^th, 2012 at 4:56pm It doesnt mean what you think it means (you know who I am talking to) Quote: a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. Link SOB
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Reply #1 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:08pm

This means what you and him both think it means:
ATF3 Engine.
The engine has a 2.88:1 bypass ratio at Sea Level (2.52. at 40,000 feet, MACH 0.8), and a 21:1 pressure ratio. FAN spool-speed maximum limits are 10,400 rpm for ATF3-6 engines and 10,700 rpm for ATF3-6A engines. LP (low-pressure) spool speed limit is 17,200 rpm for all ATF3 engines, and the HP (high-pressure) spool speed limit is 36,900 rpm for all ATF3 engines. The ITT (inter-turbine temperature) maximum limit is 1850 degrees Fahrenheit (1010 degrees Celsius) for all ATF3 engines. Transient limits for the ATF3 engine are 102 percent N2, 103 percent N3, and 1868 degrees Fahrenheit (1020 degrees Celsius) ITT. Transient overspeed for the FAN spool is not allowed.

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Reply #2 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:12pm

chimera wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

This means what you and him both think it means:
ATF3 Engine.
The engine has a 2.88:1 bypass ratio at Sea Level (2.52. at 40,000 feet, MACH 0.8), and a 21:1 pressure ratio. FAN spool-speed maximum limits are 10,400 rpm for ATF3-6 engines and 10,700 rpm for ATF3-6A engines. LP (low-pressure) spool speed limit is 17,200 rpm for all ATF3 engines, and the HP (high-pressure) spool speed limit is 36,900 rpm for all ATF3 engines. The ITT (inter-turbine temperature) maximum limit is 1850 degrees Fahrenheit (1010 degrees Celsius) for all ATF3 engines. Transient limits for the ATF3 engine are 102 percent N2, 103 percent N3, and 1868 degrees Fahrenheit (1020 degrees Celsius) ITT. Transient overspeed for the FAN spool is not allowed.

So fairies are real? Wow. Whodda thunkit?

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Reply #3 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:13pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

It doesnt mean what you think it means (you know who I am talking to)

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a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

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Seriously. Is this happening in oz?

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Reply #4 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:19pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

It doesnt mean what you think it means (you knbow who I am talking to)

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a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

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I don't know about who you are talking about, but I,am socialist minded, but do not think it works.
Reason; because everybody in society tries to put the cost onto someone else.
Nobody is prepared to contribute to society according to their ability, but want to take as much as possible, even if they do not need what they take.
To me it appears, that we need the whip of the capitalist, to produce the goods and services that a society needs, and the "wages for the whip" is very high. It can be compared to a horse race; some horses will do all in their power to win a race, and it is useless to use a whip and try to make them run faster, while there are lazy horses, which without the use of a whip would always run last.

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Reply #5 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:22pm

chimera wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

This means what you and him both think it means:
ATF3 Engine.
The engine has a 2.88:1 bypass ratio at Sea Level (2.52. at 40,000 feet, MACH 0.8), and a 21:1 pressure ratio. FAN spool-speed maximum limits are 10,400 rpm for ATF3-6 engines and 10,700 rpm for ATF3-6A engines. LP (low-pressure) spool speed limit is 17,200 rpm for all ATF3 engines, and the HP (high-pressure) spool speed limit is 36,900 rpm for all ATF3 engines. The ITT (inter-turbine temperature) maximum limit is 1850 degrees Fahrenheit (1010 degrees Celsius) for all ATF3 engines. Transient limits for the ATF3 engine are 102 percent N2, 103 percent N3, and 1868 degrees Fahrenheit (1020 degrees Celsius) ITT. Transient overspeed for the FAN spool is not allowed.

Congratulations; your post has me completely bamboozled.
I must have missed a lot of education in life.

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Reply #6 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:23pm

hawil wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:19pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

It doesnt mean what you think it means (you knbow who I am talking to)

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a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

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I don't know about who you are talking about, but I,am socialist minded, but do not think it works.
Reason; because everybody in society tries to put the cost onto someone else.
Nobody is prepared to contribute to society according to their ability, but want to take as much as possible, even if they do not need what they take.
To me it appears, that we need the whip of the capitalist, to produce the goods and services that a society needs, and the "wages for the whip" is very high. It can be compared to a horse race; some horses will do all in their power to win a race, and it is useless to use a whip and try to make them run faster, while there are lazy horses, which without the use of a whip would always run last.

In most of these things the end result is a few owning everything and the masses having nothing. Capitalism, communism = same end result.

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Reply #7 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:28pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

It doesnt mean what you think it means (you know who I am talking to)

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a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Link

SOB

Seriously. Is this happening in oz?

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no

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Reply #8 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:40pm

chimera wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

This means what you and him both think it means:
ATF3 Engine.
The engine has a 2.88:1 bypass ratio at Sea Level (2.52. at 40,000 feet, MACH 0.8), and a 21:1 pressure ratio. FAN spool-speed maximum limits are 10,400 rpm for ATF3-6 engines and 10,700 rpm for ATF3-6A engines. LP (low-pressure) spool speed limit is 17,200 rpm for all ATF3 engines, and the HP (high-pressure) spool speed limit is 36,900 rpm for all ATF3 engines. The ITT (inter-turbine temperature) maximum limit is 1850 degrees Fahrenheit (1010 degrees Celsius) for all ATF3 engines. Transient limits for the ATF3 engine are 102 percent N2, 103 percent N3, and 1868 degrees Fahrenheit (1020 degrees Celsius) ITT. Transient overspeed for the FAN spool is not allowed.

Is this one of those hitch hikers guide to the galaxy things?

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 12191 Armidale Gender:	Re: Socialism Reply #9 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:58pm Dunno. Dunno what the question in #1 is. Maybe it's like "how much is too much?" In US the community owns the Postal Service and the military but that is changing with private contractors. Maybe we can all invest in USN and grow the business in Iran oil victories at sea.
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Reply #10 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:59pm

chimera wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Dunno. Dunno what the question in #1 is.
Maybe it's like "how much is too much?"
In US the community owns the Postal Service and the military but that is changing with private contractors. Maybe we can all invest in USN and grow the business in Iran oil victories at sea.

Well nothing in oz is community owned really but that friggin NBN - whats that gunna be?

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Reply #11 - May 5^th, 2012 at 6:37pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:59pm:

chimera wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Dunno. Dunno what the question in #1 is.
Maybe it's like "how much is too much?"
In US the community owns the Postal Service and the military but that is changing with private contractors. Maybe we can all invest in USN and grow the business in Iran oil victories at sea.

Well nothing in oz is community owned really but that friggin NBN - whats that gunna be?

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community DISOWNED once superfast wireless becomes available.

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D: A political system in which the collective owns the means of production. Karl Marx apparently thought that the way to communism was through socialism. First the capitalist structures had to be dismantled by putting into the hands of the government, before the powerful centralized government could be replaced by something better. Anyone who thinks that an all powerful centralized government will voluntarily legislate itself out of existence probably owns a flock of flying pigs.

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SOCIAL DEMOCRACY

D: A democracy in which a majority of people believe they make themselves better off by voting themselves money through the public trough. Pork barreling is rife in social democracies, as everyone tries to live at everyone else's expense. Governments realize that the electoral cost of increasing taxes is lower than than the benefit from spending the money to pork barrel, and taxes slowly spiral upwards. A favorite analogy is with frogs in hot water. If you put a frog into boiling water it will hop out immediately, but if you put it in cool water and slowly heat it, you can boil it alive. A century ago, democratic governments would not have survived the imposition of a tax regime in which 40% of GDP was taken in government taxes - they would have been thrown out of office at the following election. At the start of the 21st century, 40% is a low figure for many democracies. Is there a limit to how much governments will tax their citizens? Will taxes spiral forever to the point of economic collapse? No. Taxes reach the maximum point on the Laffer curve and governments, wanting to maximize their pork barreling funds will not go beyond that.

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TRUE BELIEVERS

D True Believer: One who supports the ALP, regardless of the merit of their policies. These people are almost always unable to understand cause and effect, and specifically the effect that disincentive has on people's actions. They do not understand that rewarding something creates more of it, and that rewarding need creates more need.

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Reply #13 - May 5^th, 2012 at 7:30pm

Economic Models explained with CowsiSOCIALISM

You have 2 cows.

You give one to your neighbour.

COMMUNISM

You have 2 cows.

The State takes both and gives you some milk.

FASCISM

You have 2 cows.

The State takes both and sells you some milk.

NAZISM

You have 2 cows.

The State takes both and shoots you.

BUREAUCRATISM

You have 2 cows.

The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the milk away...

TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM

You have two cows.

You sell one and buy a bull.

Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows.

You sell them and retire on the income.

SURREALISM

You have two giraffes.

The government requires you to take harmonica lessons

AN AMERICAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows.

Later,

you hire a consultant to analyse why the cow has dropped dead.

ENRON VENTURE CAPITALISM

You have two cows.

You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island Company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. You sell one cow to buy a new president of the United States, leaving you with nine cows. No balance sheet provided with the release. The public then buys your bull.

THE ANDERSEN MODEL

You have two cows.

You shred them.

A FRENCH CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You go on strike, organise a riot, and block the roads, because you want three cows.

A JAPANESE CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You then create a clever cow cartoon image called 'Cowkimon' and market it worldwide.

A GERMAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and Milk themselves.

AN ITALIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows, but you don't know where they are.

You decide to have lunch.

A RUSSIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You count them and learn you have five cows.

You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.

You count them again and learn you have 2 cows.

You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.

A SWISS CORPORATION

You have 5000 cows. None of them belong to you.

You charge the owners for storing them.

A CHINESE CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You have 300 people milking them.

You claim that you have full employment, and high bovine productivity.

You arrest the newsman who reported the real situation.

AN INDIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You worship them.

A BRITISH CORPORATION

You have two cows.

Both are mad.

AN IRAQI CORPORATION

Everyone thinks you have lots of cows.

You tell them that you have none.

No-one believes you, so they bomb the **** out of you and invade your country. You still have no cows, but at least now you are part of a Democracy....

A NEW ZEALAND CORPORATION

You have two cows.

The one on the left looks very attractive.

AN AUSTRALIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.

Business seems pretty good.

You close the office and go for a few beers to celebrate.

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Mnemonic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1530 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Socialism Reply #14 - May 5^th, 2012 at 8:27pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:13pm: Seriously. Is this happening in oz? No, it's definitely not happening. Private individual ownership of property is still alive and well in Australia.
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