Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Inevitable Suffering. (Read 5197 times)
NorthOfNorth
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 17258
Gender: male
Inevitable Suffering.
May 6th, 2012 at 1:21pm
 
“All life is suffering.” –The first Buddhist Noble Truth.

“Life is Difficult.

This is a great truth, one of the greatest truths.  It is a great truth because once we truly see this truth, we transcend it.  Once we truly see that life is difficult – once we truly understand and accept it – then life is no longer difficult.  Because once it is accepted, the fact that life is difficult no longer matters.”
– The Road Less Travelled

We cannot avoid events in our life that may lead to suffering. We can moderate their effect, but not eliminate them. We will witness unhappy circumstance, dissatisfaction, injustice, sickness and death – falling on others and ourselves.

Nothing indemnifies us against the potential for suffering.

It’s how we bear it that determines the degree of our equanimity.

It’s how we attempt to avoid it that determines the degree of our neurosis.

It’s our formula for avoiding responsibility for that which we cause, by apportioning metaphysical blame for it, that determines the degree of our religiosity or spurious, but fast-held, philosophical platitudes.

What greater motivators are there to inflict suffering than greed and god?
Back to top
 

Conviction is the art of being certain
 
IP Logged
 
Postmodern Trendoid III
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 10266
Gender: male
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #1 - May 6th, 2012 at 2:21pm
 
It is very interesting to see how different people handle their suffering.
It's interesting to watch some people puff up their own (well-concealed) personal hell or grievances into an "objective" position.
A hell for some people can be another's paradise.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Annie Anthrax
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Take the plan, spin it
sideways

Posts: 7057
Gender: female
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #2 - May 6th, 2012 at 2:35pm
 
Is suffering that is pleasurable (bittersweet) still suffering?
Back to top
 

I can't do this, but I'm doing it anyway.
 
IP Logged
 
Johnsmith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4716
Gender: male
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #3 - May 6th, 2012 at 2:36pm
 
life is made up of good times filling in the gaps between the bad times ....
Back to top
 

When politicians offer you something for nothing, or something that sounds too good to be true, it's always worth taking a careful second look.
(Malcolm Turncoat)
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 21887
A cat with a view
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #4 - May 6th, 2012 at 2:37pm
 
Buddhism - The Four Noble Truths

   1. TO LIVE, IS TO SUFFER
   2. Suffering arises from attachment [to our desires]
   3. Suffering ceases when attachment to desire ceases
   4. Freedom from suffering is possible by practicing the Eightfold Path


#1 hits ya where it hurts!

Doesn't it?
Eh?        Grin




It is futile to try to avoid, what we cannot avoid.





"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

    - Frank Herbert, 'Dune'



Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 21887
A cat with a view
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #5 - May 6th, 2012 at 2:42pm
 
addendum;

"Life's a bitch,......and then, you die."
         

Grin



Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
NorthOfNorth
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 17258
Gender: male
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #6 - May 6th, 2012 at 2:48pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on May 6th, 2012 at 2:35pm:
Is suffering that is pleasurable (bittersweet) still suffering?

If being separated from its object causes grief, then it is.
Back to top
 

Conviction is the art of being certain
 
IP Logged
 
NorthOfNorth
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 17258
Gender: male
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #7 - May 6th, 2012 at 2:54pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 6th, 2012 at 2:21pm:
A hell for some people can be another's paradise.

A sunset or metaphorical oblivion?

...
Back to top
 

Conviction is the art of being certain
 
IP Logged
 
muso
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #8 - May 7th, 2012 at 11:04am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 6th, 2012 at 2:21pm:
It is very interesting to see how different people handle their suffering.
It's interesting to watch some people puff up their own (well-concealed) personal hell or grievances into an "objective" position.
A hell for some people can be another's paradise.


Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
(Compare with: The Entropy of the universe increases with time. Only energy input can decrease Entropy
^locally.
)
                            
Suffering is voluntary. Nobody can hurt you unless you personally agree to it.

Back to top
« Last Edit: May 7th, 2012 at 11:39am by muso »  

...
1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not 
 
IP Logged
 
Annie Anthrax
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Take the plan, spin it
sideways

Posts: 7057
Gender: female
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #9 - May 7th, 2012 at 11:13am
 
Quote:
Nobody can hurt you unless you personally agree to it.


How does that work?

Isn't pain there initially no matter how you choose to deal with it?
Back to top
 

I can't do this, but I'm doing it anyway.
 
IP Logged
 
Postmodern Trendoid III
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 10266
Gender: male
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #10 - May 7th, 2012 at 11:17am
 
muso wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:04am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 6th, 2012 at 2:21pm:
It is very interesting to see how different people handle their suffering.
It's interesting to watch some people puff up their own (well-concealed) personal hell or grievances into an "objective" position.
A hell for some people can be another's paradise.


Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.

Suffering is voluntary. Nobody can hurt you unless you personally agree to it.


I am not so sure about that. It seems to occur on an unconscious level where we have no choice in the matter. But, I agree that over time one can learn to overcome and handle suffering. It takes a special kind of self-discipline. I would also add that it makes a huge difference in how we interpret suffering. For example, Christianity has inserted a whole mystical and metaphysical dimension in to suffering. This is very unhelpful as it gives its origins to something mysterious and out of our control, to something that we can never atone for. Additionally, it doesn't give us any practical solutions on how to overcome it. I think the Buddhists are on the right track, similarly with artists. Artists usually go through immense personal suffering but have the genius and will to sublimate this into something creative. Don't get me started on those who believe we can have political solutions to suffering.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
muso
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #11 - May 7th, 2012 at 11:21am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:13am:
Quote:
Nobody can hurt you unless you personally agree to it.


How does that work?

Isn't pain there initially no matter how you choose to deal with it?

Pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional.
Back to top
 

...
1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not 
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 21887
A cat with a view
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #12 - May 7th, 2012 at 12:37pm
 
muso wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:04am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 6th, 2012 at 2:21pm:
It is very interesting to see how different people handle their suffering.
It's interesting to watch some people puff up their own (well-concealed) personal hell or grievances into an "objective" position.
A hell for some people can be another's paradise.


Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
(Compare with: The Entropy of the universe increases with time. Only energy input can decrease Entropy
^locally.
)
                            
Suffering is voluntary. Nobody can hurt you unless you personally agree to it.




From my own perspective, happiness is an attitude, which i can choose.

Rather than happiness being an emotion which i seek, in the world.

When i feel happiness, >> i << produce that feeling.



I can't change the world, but i can change me,  .....that is, i can change how i feel.

I am not a 'victim' [.....of this world].

I am the author of my own circumstances [....at least to a certain extent].

Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
NorthOfNorth
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 17258
Gender: male
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #13 - May 8th, 2012 at 7:00am
 
"Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive." - Martin Luther King Jr

A profound credo that requires no great leap across the abyss of doubt to discern its power to rationalise unjustified hardship and generate meaning from otherwise inexplicable evil.

Back to top
 

Conviction is the art of being certain
 
IP Logged
 
nairbe
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2587
Rural NSW
Gender: male
Re: Inevitable Suffering.
Reply #14 - May 21st, 2012 at 6:44am
 
Yadda wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 12:37pm:
muso wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:04am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 6th, 2012 at 2:21pm:
It is very interesting to see how different people handle their suffering.
It's interesting to watch some people puff up their own (well-concealed) personal hell or grievances into an "objective" position.
A hell for some people can be another's paradise.


Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
(Compare with: The Entropy of the universe increases with time. Only energy input can decrease Entropy
^locally.
)
                            
Suffering is voluntary. Nobody can hurt you unless you personally agree to it.




From my own perspective, happiness is an attitude, which i can choose.

Rather than happiness being an emotion which i seek, in the world.

When i feel happiness, >> i << produce that feeling.



I can't change the world, but i can change me,  .....that is, i can change how i feel.

I am not a 'victim' [.....of this world].

I am the author of my own circumstances [....at least to a certain extent].



Some of the most progressive posts, totally support the ideal. I have from a young age always believed that i own what happens in my life, good or bad. If i own it no matter what then i can do something about it. It is not someone else's fault nor is blame attributable. Life is so much happier that way and i am satisfied with my lot, looking to improve myself but proud of what i have achieved.
Back to top
 

"Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage."
Confucius
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print