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Re: Will Tony Stand aside?
Reply #15 - May 15th, 2012 at 7:35pm
 
angeleyes wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 5:30pm:
How could you possibly defame a union official?


More defamation matty angledust, well Abbott set the standard that he now must live by, there is a civil action against him he must step down. After all he is guilt as hell only an idiot can not see that.(statement a reflection of conservative opinion, read on behalf of all normal people)
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Reply #16 - May 15th, 2012 at 7:36pm
 
Soren wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 5:52pm:
Verge wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 5:42pm:
Considering the union in question is very well known for its standover tactics, they might want to be careful about the pandoras box they are about to open.


Yeah, I am looking forward to next Monday when Parliament sits again.

I wonder what Tony Abbott can find in discovery.
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Reply #17 - May 15th, 2012 at 8:30pm
 
hang on a sec.   Tony is being sued.  Slipper is being sued.  Slipper has stood aside.  The coalition must surely see that to leave tony in the chair is a tad hypocritical?  Tony must step aside until the charges are decided incourt.  I mean,you Libs want  justice right?
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Reply #18 - May 15th, 2012 at 8:33pm
 
lisa.greek wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 8:30pm:
hang on a sec.   Tony is being sued.  Slipper is being sued.  Slipper has stood aside.  The coalition must surely see that to leave tony in the chair is a tad hypocritical?  Tony must step aside until the charges are decided incourt.  I mean,you Libs want  justice right?   


EXACTLY!!!


Anything else is hyper hypocrisy after all the hullabaloo the Lieberals have been going on with for a year now.

TONY MUST STAND ASIDE!
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Reply #19 - May 15th, 2012 at 8:37pm
 
I LOVE HYPOCRISY!

HYPOCRISY GETS ALL US WAR LOVERS WET WET WET!!!
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Reply #20 - May 15th, 2012 at 8:55pm
 
Mr Abbott last month accused John Setka - assistant Victorian secretary of the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union - of turning up at the homes of builders uninvited. The CFMEU said Mr Abbott had implied that Mr Setka was trying to ''stand over'' people.

''Because so many of you have got to go on to sites every day and you've got to deal with the John Setkas of this world every day and the last thing you need is home visits,'' Mr Abbott said at a Master Builders Association of Victoria conference on February 10.

''Those home visits we know take place. We know they take place because people like Mr Setka have told us that they take place.''

The comments, broadcast on Sky News, were in response to a question on how employer groups should campaign to save the Australian Building and Construction Commission from being scrapped by Labor.

They came just two days after a criminal case against Mr Setka collapsed after building watchdog inspectors admitted destroying evidence and changing key parts of their stories. As a result, a number of assault-related charges against Mr Setka were dropped and he was convicted and fined $750 for behaving in an offensive manner in a public place.

Slater and Gordon's Ben Hardwick wrote to Mr Abbott on February 21 demanding damages, a full retraction and costs within seven days. He wrote that comments were ''highly defamatory'' and imputed Mr Setka engaged in ''thuggery''.

Last night, Mr Abbott's office did not respond to requests for comment before deadline.

The CFMEU's national construction secretary, Dave Noonan, said legal action would be taken and said the comments from Mr Abbott were a ''blatant lie'' and an ''outrageous smear''. ''Tony Abbott who yesterday [Sunday] I saw on television talking about the importance of politicians telling the truth has told a blatant lie which he has calculated to injure Mr Setka's reputation,'' Mr Noonan said.

''He has said that John Setka not only visited people at their homes but that he had admitted to doing so, and both those allegations are false,'' he said. ''The implications of his statements are very clear, that he has done so to stand over people and intimidate them.''

Mr Noonan said Mr Abbott needed to ''be held to account in front of the courts if he is prepared to defame other people''.

In his comments to the Master Builders, Mr Abbott spoke of how senior building managers opposed his bid, as a Howard government minister, to set up the Cole Royal Commission into the building industry.

The fallout from the royal commission was the creation of the ABCC, which its advocates say has boosted productivity and reduced industrial action in the industry. The Gillard government is close to having it replaced with an inspectorate with watered-down powers.

Mr Setka has been anointed to be the next secretary of the Victorian branch of the CFMEU, one of Australia's richest and most powerful unions. In 2003, he was convicted and fined $500 after threatening to ''fix up'' a Grocon manager.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-to-be-sued-over-home-visits-comments-20120305-1uecg.html#ixzz1uvzVqrgT


That report is from 6 March.

Was he convicted and fined for behaving thuggishly? Yes. Did Abbott say what he did after Setka's conviction and fining? Yes.


Is he the next boss of a union? Seems so.Is this a case of attack as the best defence? Seems so.


Funny how, when speaking to builders about the CFMEU, when someone says 'home visit' everybody things 'thugggish standover tactics'. When Craig Thomson said 'home visit' it meant something entirely different.  Unless he called Madame Lash.Grin


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Reply #21 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:01pm
 
Soren wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 8:55pm:
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-to-be-sued-over-home-visits-...


That report is from 6 March.

Was he convicted and fined for behaving thuggishly? Yes. Did Abbott say what he did after Setka's conviction and fining? Yes.


Is he the next boss of a union? Seems so.Is this a case of attack as the best defence? Seems so.


Funny how, when speaking to the rank and file of the CFMEU, when someone says 'home visit' everybody things 'thugggish standover tactics'. When Craig Thomson said 'home visit' it meant something entirely different.  Unless he called Madame Lash.Grin




Irrelevant Soren. Tony is now a defendant in a court matter. Under the new integrity rules as laid down by Tony himself, he MUST stand aside until this is cleared up by the courts.

THOSE ARE TONY'S RULES. TONY HAS TO LIVE BY THEM.
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Reply #22 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:02pm
 
Now that is funny.  Grin


Mr Setka has been anointed to be the next secretary of the Victorian branch of the CFMEU, one of Australia's richest and most powerful unions. In 2003, he was convicted and fined $500 after threatening to ''fix up'' a Grocon manager.
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Reply #23 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:03pm
 
In his statement of claim, Mr Setka says Mr Abbott refused to apologise or retract his comments. When asked in a subsequent interview why he would not apologise, Mr Abbott said: "... there are far too many threats made by unionists in the building industry and I would suggest that it would be better for them and better for the industry if they stopped making threats."
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Reply #24 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:04pm
 
angeleyes wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:02pm:
Now that is funny.  Grin


Mr Setka has been anointed to be the next secretary of the Victorian branch of the CFMEU, one of Australia's richest and most powerful unions. In 2003, he was convicted and fined $500 after threatening to ''fix up'' a Grocon manager.


IRRELEVANT!
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Reply #25 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:05pm
 
Soren wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:03pm:
In his statement of claim, Mr Setka says Mr Abbott refused to apologise or retract his comments. When asked in a subsequent interview why he would not apologise, Mr Abbott said: "... there are far too many threats made by unionists in the building industry and I would suggest that it would be better for them and better for the industry if they stopped making threats."


IRRELEVANT!
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Reply #26 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:06pm
 
Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:01pm:
Irrelevant Soren. Tony is now a defendant in a court matter. Under the new integrity rules as laid down by Tony himself, he MUST stand aside until this is cleared up by the courts.

THOSE ARE TONY'S RULES. TONY HAS TO LIVE BY THEM.



Where did he say that if a parliamentarian is sued for what he or she has said, he/she must stand aside?
I can't find any such pronouncement from anyone.

In any case, I though Gillard made Thopson stand aside and Slipper volunteered. You've heard differently?

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Reply #27 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:06pm
 
IRRELEVANT!



Yes Gist you are.
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Reply #28 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:09pm
 
Great thread, lisa.greek. Never a truer word said in jest.
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Reply #29 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:12pm
 
Soren wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:06pm:
Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:01pm:
Irrelevant Soren. Tony is now a defendant in a court matter. Under the new integrity rules as laid down by Tony himself, he MUST stand aside until this is cleared up by the courts.

THOSE ARE TONY'S RULES. TONY HAS TO LIVE BY THEM.



Where did he say that if a parliamentarian is sued for what he or she has said, he/she must stand aside?
I can't find any such pronouncement from anyone.

In any case, I though Gillard made Thopson stand aside and Slipper volunteered. You've heard differently?



Glad you asked a relevant question. It was getting boring pasting that statement in.

Here y'are Soren, read it and weep:

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It is therefore incumbent on the Prime Minister, who used her numbers to install Mr Slipper as Speaker late last year, to require him to stand aside until these matters are concluded before the courts.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2012/04/21/pm-must-act-slipper-abbott...


Be careful what you wish for, righties.  Cheesy
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