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Reply #30 - May 15^th, 2012 at 9:13pm

lisa.greek wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

hang on a sec. Tony is being sued. Slipper is being sued. Slipper has stood aside. The coalition must surely see that to leave tony in the chair is a tad hypocritical? Tony must step aside until the charges are decided incourt. I mean,you Libs want justice right?

Slipper is gone because of the corruption allegation, because of the sexual harassment court case, not because he called someone out in public, not because he said something uncontroversial.

As much as you would love this to be hypocritical, you are dreamin.

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Reply #31 - May 15^th, 2012 at 9:19pm

No matter how you try to twist it Gist it's powder puff compared to Slipper and Thomson.

Abbott also said.........................................

"It's is important for our Parliament that the Speaker have the respect of colleagues and the trust of the community.

"There are now very serious allegations against the current speaker, Mr Peter Slipper.

"These allegations concern the sexual harassment of a staff member in Mr Slipper's office.

"In court documents lodged yesterday, there are further serious allegations regarding potentially criminal misuse of taxpayer funds and breaches of entitlements.

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Reply #32 - May 15^th, 2012 at 9:20pm

Gordon and Slater will have great difficulty arguing defamation. Still, great publicity and the Unions will pay them.

They will have to prove defamation by arguing that the comments injured Setka's professional reputation. Abbott will be able cite contextual truth, honest opinion, and especially qualified privilege in his defence. Considering the circumstances of the comments (at a Master Builders' Conference) and Setka's previous convictions, it will be very hard to prove that Abbott has said or implied anything that could not be said or implied anyone familiar with Mr Setka and his reported legal and professional history.
But it will be an interesting circus.

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Reply #33 - May 15^th, 2012 at 9:21pm

Gist wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

lisa.greek wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

hang on a sec. Tony is being sued. Slipper is being sued. Slipper has stood aside. The coalition must surely see that to leave tony in the chair is a tad hypocritical? Tony must step aside until the charges are decided incourt. I mean,you Libs want justice right?

EXACTLY!!!

Anything else is hyper hypocrisy after all the hullabaloo the Lieberals have been going on with for a year now.

TONY MUST STAND ASIDE!

To conservatives Justice and integrity are tactical words which can only be applied to their oponents.

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Reply #34 - May 15^th, 2012 at 9:26pm

Dnarever wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:21pm:

Gist wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

lisa.greek wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

hang on a sec. Tony is being sued. Slipper is being sued. Slipper has stood aside. The coalition must surely see that to leave tony in the chair is a tad hypocritical? Tony must step aside until the charges are decided incourt. I mean,you Libs want justice right?

EXACTLY!!!

Anything else is hyper hypocrisy after all the hullabaloo the Lieberals have been going on with for a year now.

TONY MUST STAND ASIDE!

To conservatives Justice and integrity are tactical words which can only be applied to their oponents.

Please explain how you can connect justice and integrity to Gillard and the labor party?

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Reply #35 - May 15^th, 2012 at 9:30pm

Gist wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

Gist wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:01pm:

Irrelevant Soren. Tony is now a defendant in a court matter. Under the new integrity rules as laid down by Tony himself, he MUST stand aside until this is cleared up by the courts.

THOSE ARE TONY'S RULES. TONY HAS TO LIVE BY THEM.

Where did he say that if a parliamentarian is sued for what he or she has said, he/she must stand aside?
I can't find any such pronouncement from anyone.

In any case, I though Gillard made Thopson stand aside and Slipper volunteered. You've heard differently?

Glad you asked a relevant question. It was getting boring pasting that statement in.

Here y'are Soren, read it and weep:

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It is therefore incumbent on the Prime Minister, who used her numbers to install Mr Slipper as Speaker late last year, to require him to stand aside until these matters are concluded before the courts.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2012/04/21/pm-must-act-slipper-abbott...

Be careful what you wish for, righties. Cheesy

Context, git, context. The matters Abbott is talking about are the sexual harassment AND the potential criminal changes relating to misuse of money.

I would like to see Gillard or anyone on the Labor side to stand up and say that Abbott should stand aside because he said Setka conducted non-medical home visits. I want to hear what Labor has to say. Defending a union heavy would blow up in their faces like you've never seen it before. This will damage Labor, not Abbott. Mark my word.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 26279 Gender:	Re: Will Tony Stand aside? Reply #36 - May 15^th, 2012 at 9:49pm Abbott didn't say anything untruthful, so why should he stand aside?
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PhonyTonyAbbott New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4 Gender:	Re: Will Tony Stand aside? Reply #37 - May 15^th, 2012 at 11:01pm Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:49pm: Abbott didn't say anything untruthful, so why should he stand aside? What on earth are you saying? Nearly everything Tony Abbott says is untruthful.
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Reply #38 - May 15^th, 2012 at 11:24pm

progressiveslol wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

Slipper is gone because of the corruption allegation, because of the sexual harassment court case, not because he called someone out in public, not because he said something uncontroversial.

As much as you would love this to be hypocritical, you are dreamin.

IRRELEVANT!

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Reply #39 - May 15^th, 2012 at 11:28pm

angeleyes wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:19pm:

No matter how you try to twist it Gist it's powder puff compared to Slipper and Thomson.

Abbott also said.........................................

"It's is important for our Parliament that the Speaker have the respect of colleagues and the trust of the community.

"There are now very serious allegations against the current speaker, Mr Peter Slipper.

"These allegations concern the sexual harassment of a staff member in Mr Slipper's office.

"In court documents lodged yesterday, there are further serious allegations regarding potentially criminal misuse of taxpayer funds and breaches of entitlements.

And it is equally important for our Leader of the Opposition to have the respect of colleagues and the trust of the community. I would put it that the Leader of the Opposition as the leader of the alternative government is at least as important in the Parliament as the Speaker. So any measures to which the Speaker must be accountable must also apply to the Leader of the Opposition.

TONY MUST STAND ASIDE.

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Reply #40 - May 15^th, 2012 at 11:30pm

Soren wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:20pm:

Gordon and Slater will have great difficulty arguing defamation. Still, great publicity and the Unions will pay them.

They will have to prove defamation by arguing that the comments injured Setka's professional reputation. Abbott will be able cite contextual truth, honest opinion, and especially qualified privilege in his defence. Considering the circumstances of the comments (at a Master Builders' Conference) and Setka's previous convictions, it will be very hard to prove that Abbott has said or implied anything that could not be said or implied anyone familiar with Mr Setka and his reported legal and professional history.
But it will be an interesting circus.

IRRELEVANT!

TONY HAS TO STAND ASIDE. THOSE ARE HIS RULES.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Will Tony Stand aside? Reply #41 - May 15^th, 2012 at 11:31pm angeleyes wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:26pm: Please explain how you can connect justice and integrity to Gillard and the labor party? IRRELEVANT!
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Reply #42 - May 15^th, 2012 at 11:33pm

Soren wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:30pm:

Context, git, context. The matters Abbott is talking about are the sexual harassment AND the potential criminal changes relating to misuse of money.

I would like to see Gillard or anyone on the Labor side to stand up and say that Abbott should stand aside because he said Setka conducted non-medical home visits. I want to hear what Labor has to say. Defending a union heavy would blow up in their faces like you've never seen it before. This will damage Labor, not Abbott. Mark my word.

BULLSHIT,
SOREN,
BULLSHIT!

AND

IRRELEVANT!

Tony has laid out the rules. HE HAS TO ABIDE BY THEM. HE MUST STAND ASIDE!

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Will Tony Stand aside? Reply #43 - May 15^th, 2012 at 11:34pm Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:49pm: Abbott didn't say anything untruthful, so why should he stand aside? IRRELEVANT!
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Will Tony Stand aside? Reply #44 - May 16^th, 2012 at 4:11am Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:49pm: Abbott didn't say anything untruthful, so why should he stand aside? That will now be up to the courts to decide.
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