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Reply #135 - May 28th, 2012 at 8:38am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 28th, 2012 at 8:34am:
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 8:57pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 7:40pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 7:37pm:
When people call for Israel to be removed. For the Jews to not be there.
You are saying to me and my parents to leave our home of birth.


I never said that. I said israel needs to be stopped. From committing these atrocities. I said you need to get out of the west bank and gaza. I never said you should leave israel.

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Unfortunately Borg for many Muslims, including probably all of the ones lobbing rockets into Israel at every opportunity, the only solution is for the Jews to leave. You only have to look at what Australians like Puppet, Abu and Falah say to see the problem. They are the people Israel has to negotiate with, not you. Israel could make all sorts of agreements with reasonable people like you, but it won't stop the Palestinians attacking Israel with whatever they can get their hands on.


in self defense. And because they are angry @ the oppression. If peace is ever finally negotiated its going to take @ least a generation for the anger to subside i reckon.

SOB


So you expect the Israelis to sign a peace treaty then put up with 30 years of rockets being fired from Palestine and not being able to do anything about it, in the naive hope that the Muslims feel better after that?

At what point do the Palestinians have to take some responsibility for their own actions?
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Reply #136 - May 28th, 2012 at 8:41am
 
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The Israelis did not invade. They were already there.


They are invading west bank. They do invade gaza every now and then.

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Reply #137 - May 29th, 2012 at 12:35am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 11:38am:
Is Avram a Mossad spy?



Yes, he is!

Avram is here to spy on you bobby.

So my advice is, be very careful what you reveal in this forum.

Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!               Smiley))))))

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #138 - May 29th, 2012 at 12:42am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:21pm:
Terrorist jews are terrorists


Whereas, PoliticalPuppets' have demented psyche's.



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Reply #139 - May 29th, 2012 at 1:00am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 5:20pm:
Actually this thread was supposed to be about avrams religious beliefs. I wanted to know if he is religious and if he follows the OT and believes in the OT. Do you avram? What are your religious beliefs?


SOB



Me too.


Avram,

You said that you are a secular Jew.

Is the story of Moses parting the Red sea, just a fairy tale [is it untrue], for you, as a secular Jew ???




Here is the account Avram,

Exodus 14:21
And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
22  And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
23  And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
24  And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,
25  And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the LORD fighteth for them against the Egyptians.
26  And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen.
27  And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.
28  And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.
29  But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
30  Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore.
31  And Israel saw that great work which the LORD did upon the Egyptians: and the people feared the LORD, and believed the LORD, and his servant Moses.


This is this OT story just a 'fairy tale' to you Avram ???




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Reply #140 - May 29th, 2012 at 2:37am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 28th, 2012 at 8:36am:
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 10:08pm:
You said that it was for them to control most of the land.
They already do.

That is why they should stop their terrorism.



All of west bank. Thats reasonable.

SOB



No.

That, is not reasonable.

You have totally lost 'perspective' on this issue.



The 'Palestinians' were given, >> ALL << of the 'East bank'.

The East bank, is teh 'Palestinian homeland'.

But they want the land which the Jews have too, coz that would only 'be fair'.
/sarc off



There is no peace with moslems.

There will >> NEVER << be peace with moslems.

Because moslems do not want peace.

Moslems want murder.



The Koran.....

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


From ISLAMIC law texts, declaring how moslems may 'lawfully' treat those who are not moslems....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110

n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."



The Hadith,
"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260





Moslems will get, what they have 'worked' for.

Ezek 35

We all do, we all will.         Wink

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Reply #141 - May 29th, 2012 at 4:58am
 
The Palestinians were given the east bank, what Jordan? Give us a break.
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Reply #142 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:34am
 
The palestinians are angry because of the way the jews are treating them. This is understandable. @ this point I am sure they will accept a fair deal but they arent being offered one.

I have not gone into the crap about the whole way israel was created and they threw the palestinains out (which is why they are called refugees) and I dont want to. I am talking about NOW and NOW they just want israel to stop being unreasonable.

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Reply #143 - May 29th, 2012 at 10:24am
 
Yadda wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:42am:
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:21pm:
Terrorist jews are terrorists


Whereas, PoliticalPuppets' have demented psyche's.



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Ok so I will come blow up your house and call you demented if you say one word.
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Reply #144 - May 29th, 2012 at 10:51am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 10:24am:
Yadda wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:42am:
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:21pm:
Terrorist jews are terrorists


Whereas, PoliticalPuppets' have demented psyche's.



Dictionary;
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1 suffering from dementia.
2 wild and irrational.
Ok so I will come blow up your house and call you demented if you say one word.


Oh boy. . . . .you know they arent going to get it

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Reply #145 - May 29th, 2012 at 11:14am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 10:51am:
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 10:24am:
Yadda wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:42am:
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:21pm:
Terrorist jews are terrorists


Whereas, PoliticalPuppets' have demented psyche's.



Dictionary;
demented = =
1 suffering from dementia.
2 wild and irrational.
Ok so I will come blow up your house and call you demented if you say one word.


Oh boy. . . . .you know they arent going to get it

SOB


Look at the map and the history book, numpty.

Look up 'Jordan'. What do you see?
A river and a country. Read up on the country.



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Reply #146 - May 29th, 2012 at 12:44pm
 
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I am talking about NOW and NOW they just want israel to stop being unreasonable.


What is so unreasonable about demanding the rockets stop and the Palestinians accept Israel's right to exist?
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Reply #147 - May 29th, 2012 at 12:51pm
 
freediver wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
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I am talking about NOW and NOW they just want israel to stop being unreasonable.


What is so unreasonable about demanding the rockets stop and the Palestinians accept Israel's right to exist?


Whats so unreasonable about demanding they stop "settling" in west bank and stop bulldozing families and crops and wells? Whats unreasonable about demanding they stop unprovoked attacks on Gaza? How about they accept the palestinians right to exist?

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Reply #148 - May 29th, 2012 at 12:53pm
 
Strange because from what I have only ever seen -

PoliticalPuppet has been obnoxious, spewed out racial hatred and attacked from the word go - with his obvious anger management problems.

In contrast Avram is hardly ever angered, if at all, does not attack and simply lists his views.
In fact, he comes across as a pretty decent bloke.
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Reply #149 - May 29th, 2012 at 12:54pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:51pm:
freediver wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
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I am talking about NOW and NOW they just want israel to stop being unreasonable.


What is so unreasonable about demanding the rockets stop and the Palestinians accept Israel's right to exist?


Whats so unreasonable about demanding they stop "settling" in west bank and stop bulldozing families and crops and wells? Whats unreasonable about demanding they stop unprovoked attacks on Gaza? How about they accept the palestinians right to exist?

SOB



Aside from the fact -

1) They have stopped building new settlements in the West Bank.
2) Handed Gaza to the Palestinians (who previously by the way didn't have self-determination and were ruled by an Egyptian occupier).

But don't let facts blur your anger.
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