freediver wrote on May 24
th, 2012 at 12:22pm:
falah wrote on May 24
th, 2012 at 11:56am:
Adamant wrote on May 24
th, 2012 at 11:01am:
Your view of history is erroneous Falah
It is one thing to sign a peace treaty, another thing to surrender. We have seen what happens to those who made the mistake of surrender eg. Catholics genocided Muslims and Jews in SpainI have corrected you before, but will try once more.
In 1066 the Muslims in Spain slaughtered between 3500 and 7000 Jews. The Jews Muslims were expelled from Spain when the Spaniards reclaimed THEIR LAND. Jews and Muslims were given the chance to convert to Christianity, if they refused were expelled with no possessions ( the Muslims stole them from others anyway ).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre Quite odd that the oldest source quoted in the wikipedia entry is a Jewish Encyclopedia 1906.
If you read the whole wikipedia entry it says this of the dubious Jewish claims of a massacre:
Quote:Lewis continues: "Diatribes such as Abu Ishaq's and massacres such as that in Granada in 1066 are of rare occurrence in Islamic history."
So it was rare for Muslims to kill more people in a single year in one area than the entire history of the spanish inquisition?
Can you provide any evidence to support your assertion Freeliar - apart from a Jewish encyclopedia written in 1906?
freediver wrote on May 24
th, 2012 at 12:22pm:
Muhammed himself killed and oversaw the killing of more than enough people. This includes Jews who you claim lived 'peacefully' under Muslim oppression for the entire history of Islam.
The Jews were protected in the Madina until they started molesting women, committing murders, helping enemies of the state and plotting to murder Prophet Muhammed, peace & blessing of God upon him.
Initially Prophet Muhammed tried to protect the Jews until their crimes became too much.
Initially the Jews committed murders secretly and would attack lone Muslims. A lone Muslim was killed in the Jewish town of Khaybar. In order, to maintain peace, prophet Muhammed paid compensation to the family of the murder victim out of his own property:
Quote:A man of the Ansar was killed at Khaybar and his relatives went to the Prophet and mentioned that to him. He asked: Have you two witnesses who can testify to the murderer of your friend? They replied: "Messenger of God! there was not a single Muslim present, but only jews who sometimes have the audacity to do even greater crimes than this. He said: Then choose fifty of them and demand that they take an oath; but they refused and the Prophet paid the blood-money himself.
[Bukhari]
Quote:Abdullah ibn Sahl al-Ansari and Muhayyisa ibn Masud went out to Khaybar, and they separated on their various businesses and Abdullah ibn Sahl was killed...
...Muhayyisa returned and said that Abdullah ibn Sahl had been killed and thrown in a shallow well or spring. The jews came and he said, "By God! You have killed him."...The Messenger of God gave blood-money from his own property, and sent them one hundred camels to their house.
[al-Muwatta]
The first tribe of Jews were expelled from Madina after molesting a Muslim woman and the mob-killing of a Muslim man openly in the jewish market.
Quote:Their behaviour grew too impolite and unbearable. They started a process of trouble-making, jeering at the Muslims, hurting those who frequented their bazaars, and even intimidating their women. Such things began to aggravate the general situation, so the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) gathered them in assemblage, admonished and called them to be rational, sensible and guided and cautioned against further transgression. Nevertheless they remained obdurate and paid no heed to his warning, and said: "Don’t be deluded on account of defeating some Quraishites inexperienced in the art of war. If you were to engage us in fight, you will realize that we are genuine war experts."
In this regard, the Words of God were revealed saying:
Quote:Say to those who disbelieve: ‘You will be defeated and gathered together to Hell, and worst indeed is that place to rest.’ There has already been a Sign for you (O Jews) in the two armies that met (in the battle of Badr): One was fighting in the cause of God, and as for the other (they) were disbelievers. They (the believers) saw them (the disbelievers) with their own eyes twice their number. And God supports with His Victory whom He pleases. Verily, in this is a lesson for those who understand." [Al-Qur'an 3:12,13] [Sunan Abu Da'ud with Aunul-Ma'bood 3/115; Ibn Hisham 1/552]
The answer of the Qunaiqa Tribe amounted, as seen, to war declaration. The Prophet suppressed his anger and advised the Muslims to be patient and forbearing and wait for what time might reveal.
The Jews, went too far in their transgression, presumptuous behaviour and licentious practices. One day a Jewish goldsmith provoked a Muslim woman whose genitals become uncovered when he had tied the edge of the garment to her back. A Muslim man happened to be there and killed the man; the Jews retaliated by killing that Muslim. The man’s family called the Muslims for help and war started. [Ibn Hisham 2/47,48]
On Saturday, Shawwal 15th, 2 A.H., the Prophet marched out with his soldiers, Hamzah bin ‘Abdul Muttalib carrying the standard of the Muslims, and laid siege to the Jews’ forts for 15 days. God cast fear into their hearts, and they were obliged to defer to the Messenger’s judgement on their lives, wealth, women and children; their hands were tied behind their backs.
At this point, Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul...began to intercede for them (Jews) persistently on grounds of a former alliance between those Jews and His tribe, the Khazraj. Muhammad...granted him his request...After that they were banished out of all Arabia to Azru‘a in Syria
[Ar-Raheeq al-Makhtum, al-Mubarakpuri]
The Jewish Nadir and Quraiza tribes were permitted to stay until they broke their peace treaty and fought against the Muslims, with the Nadir tribe being the main offenders in breaking peace treaties with Muslims initially, after being pressured by the Meccans pagans who were furious at being defeated by Muslims at the Battle of Badr:
Quote:...The (Meccan) pagans of the Quraysh (tribe) again wrote (a letter) to the Jews after the Battle of Badr: "You are men of weapons and fortresses. You should fight our companion (Muhammed) or we shall deal with you in a certain way. And nothing will come between us and the anklets of your women."...(so) they gathered the Nadir tribe to violate the treaty. They sent a message to the Prophet: "Come out to us with thirty men from your companions, and thirty rabbis will come out from us till we meet at a central place where they will hear you. If they testify to you and believe in you, we shall believe in you."...When the next day came, the Messenger of God went out in the morning with an army, and surrounded them. He told them: "I swear by God, you will have no peace from me until you conclude a treaty with me. But they refused to conclude a treaty with him. He therefore fought them the same day. Next he attacked the Quraysh tribe with an army in the morning, and left the Nadir tribe. He asked them (Quraysh) to sign a treaty and they signed it. He turned away from them and attacked the Nadir tribe with an army. He fought with them until they agreed to expulsion. The Nadir tribe were deported, and they took with them whatever their camels could carry, that is, their property, the doors of their houses, and their wood.
[Bukhari]
Quote:Narrated Ibn Umar: The Nadir tribe and Quraiza tribe fought (against the Muslims violating their peace treaty), so the Prophet exiled the Nadir tribe and allowed the Quraiza tribe to remain at their places (in Medina) taking nothing from them till they fought against the Prophet again (a second time). He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He then exiled all the Jews from Medina.
[Bukhari]
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