Australian Politics Forum - Islam is a barrier to peace

bludger Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 314 Gender:	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #120 - May 24^th, 2012 at 8:18pm Beginning of time eh? That would be in the big bang era. Lissen! religions are fantasies and are inherently evil. Where would this conflict be if religion wasn't involved. The human race is the most disgusting species on the planet. (not counting me)
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Reply #121 - May 25^th, 2012 at 8:38pm

bludger wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 8:18pm:

Beginning of time eh? That would be in the big bang era.
Lissen! religions are fantasies and are inherently evil.
Where would this conflict be if religion wasn't involved.

The human race is the most disgusting species on the planet.

(not counting me)

LOL

Of course.

You, are excused from that despicable group of miscreants. Grin

Hey bludger,

You and me, could solve all of the worlds problems, .....honest. Wink

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #122 - May 25^th, 2012 at 9:00pm

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

Yadda wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 2:28pm:

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 2:06pm:

The Jewish Nadir and Quraiza tribes were permitted to stay until they broke their peace treaty and fought against the Muslims, with the Nadir tribe being the main offenders in breaking peace treaties with Muslims initially, after being pressured by the Meccans pagans who were furious at being defeated by Muslims at the Battle of Badr:

In the time of Mohammed, Jewish communities in Saudi Arabia were being oppressed and pillaged by moslems.

Why?

Simply because many of the Jews refused to relinquish Judaism, and adopt ISLAM.

This is false Yadda, the Jews had invited Muhammed to come to Madina and be their ruler. The Jews had signed treaties promising to protect the Islamic state. The Jews broke their treaties and attacked the Islamic state. This was grounds for their expulsion. Some of the Jewish tribes had been more treacherous than other. Despite their many crimes, Prophet Muhammed mercifully gave the tribe deemed least treacherous one last chance to stay if they converted to Islam. Some of the Jews dedcided to take up the offer and converted o Islam, others left.

This was all done on a case by case basis. Over the years, all the Jewish tribes in Madina proved themselves to be treacherous and broke their treaties with the Muslims.

There were other Jews living under the islamic state, like those in Yemen. The Yemeni Jews did not break treaties, and therefore were not expelled from Yemen. In fact most of the Yemeni jews converted to Islam, but many remained Jewish and till this day there are many Yemeni Jews.

hey falah,

Get a clue.

I no longer believe moslem 'narratives'.

ANY moslem 'narrative'.

Every time i encounter a post by falah, i scan it, FOR OBVIOUS LIES.

e.g.
"......Despite their many crimes, Prophet Muhammed mercifully gave the tribe deemed least treacherous one last chance.....all the Jewish tribes in Madina proved themselves to be treacherous and broke their treaties with the Muslims"
yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Moslem PROJECTION.

It was Mohammed and the moslems, who broke all of their agreements, with all non-moslem communities.

falah,

Who broke the treaty of Al-Hudaibiya ?

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Moslems are LIARS, for Allah's cause.

Moslems just can't help themselves.

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;

palestinian lies media watch

Google;

al dura hoax

Google;

pallywood

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95759 Gender:	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #123 - May 25^th, 2012 at 9:48pm Yadda, your posts are models of the Christian pamphlet genre. Have you thought of writing them for a living? There's big money in Christian pamphlets these days.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21768 A cat with a view	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #124 - May 25^th, 2012 at 10:02pm Karnal wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:48pm: Yadda, your posts are models of the Christian pamphlet genre. Have you thought of writing them for a living? There's big money in Christian pamphlets these days. Oh wow! Do you really think i could make it big ?
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Reply #125 - May 25^th, 2012 at 11:04pm

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

the Jews had invited Muhammed to come to Madina and be their ruler. The Jews had signed treaties promising to protect the Islamic state. The Jews broke their treaties and attacked the Islamic state. This was grounds for their expulsion. Some of the Jewish tribes had been more treacherous than other. Despite their many crimes, Prophet Muhammed mercifully gave the tribe deemed least treacherous one last chance to stay if they converted to Islam. Some of the Jews dedcided to take up the offer and converted o Islam, others left.

This was all done on a case by case basis. Over the years, all the Jewish tribes in Madina proved themselves to be treacherous and broke their treaties with the Muslims.

There were other Jews living under the islamic state, like those in Yemen. The Yemeni Jews did not break treaties, and therefore were not expelled from Yemen. In fact most of the Yemeni jews converted to Islam, but many remained Jewish and till this day there are many Yemeni Jews.

There is no limit if you a paranoid delusional, is there?

Say it - the Jews invited the pbuh guy to kill them for being naughty boys. go on. That's the gist of what you are saying.

But if a Westerner, let alone a Jew, says today - hey, the Arabs have been warned, they didn't heed the warnings and didn't desist so we killed them - you go all human rights and liberation theology.

The thing, galah, is that intellectually Islam is negligiible so guys like you an the bearded monsters resort to theats and violence. you couldn't mount a cohesive argument, so you kill.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #126 - May 25^th, 2012 at 11:27pm falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 7:10pm: the Jews had invited Muhammed to come to Madina and be their ruler. There is no limit to paranoid delusion, is there? No.
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Reply #127 - May 26^th, 2012 at 12:42pm

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 11:27pm:

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

the Jews had invited Muhammed to come to Madina and be their ruler.

There is no limit to paranoid delusion, is there?
No.

It is fact. Prophet Muhammed (peace & blessings of God upon him) did not have an army when he went to Madina, how did he become ruler without negotiations?

Provisions of a treaty made with Jews of Madina:

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The most important provisions of the treaty are the following:

1. The Jews of the ‘Awf tribe are one community with the believers (Muslims). The Jews will profess their religion, and the Muslims theirs.

2. The Jews shall be responsible for their expenditure, and the Muslims for theirs.

3. If attacked by a third party, each shall come to the assistance of the other.

4. Each party shall hold counsel with the other. Mutual relation shall be founded on righteousness; sin is totally excluded.

5. Neither shall commit sins to the prejudice of the other.

6. The wronged party shall be aided.

7. The Jews shall contribute to the cost of war so long as they are fighting alongside the believers (Muslims).

8. Madinah shall remain sacred and inviolable for all that join this treaty.

9. Should any disagreement arise between the signatories to this treaty, then God, the All-High and His Messenger shall settle the dispute.

10. The signatories to this treaty shall boycott Quraish (tribe of Mecca who had stolen property from the Muslims) commercially; they shall also abstain from extending any support to them.

11. Each shall contribute to defending Madinah, in case of a foreign attack, in its respective area.

12. This treaty shall not hinder either party from seeking lawful revenge. [Ibn Hisham 1/503,504]

The emboldened provisions were broken by the Jewish tribes.

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Reply #128 - May 26^th, 2012 at 1:44pm

Cool. On this logic, you support the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the coming strike on Iran.
They have all been warned repeatedly by many countries, including the UN, repeatedly, not to break faith with them but they did so Uncle Sam (peace b upon him) and his merry band of allies have done/will do the necessary.
Just following Mohammed's example.
Verily.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49016 At my desk.	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #129 - May 26^th, 2012 at 1:46pm So that's how the Jews lived in peace under Islam?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #130 - May 26^th, 2012 at 1:55pm freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:46pm: So that's how the Jews lived in peace under Islam? No. More like the way the blacks lived in peace under apartheid. Peace for non-muslim under islam is dhimmitude.
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Reply #131 - May 26^th, 2012 at 2:32pm

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

So that's how the Jews lived in peace under Islam?

The Jews of Madina were not living under the Islamic state as such. They were not dhimmis, and they did not have to pay any tax to the Islamic state under the treaty signed. The situation was more like a coalition of states.

If a state breaks a treaty, then it has lost it rights to security under the treaty.

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Reply #132 - May 26^th, 2012 at 2:35pm

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Cool. On this logic, you support the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the coming strike on Iran.
They have all been warned repeatedly by many countries, including the UN, repeatedly, not to break faith with them but they did so Uncle Sam (peace b upon him) and his merry band of allies have done/will do the necessary.
Just following Mohammed's example.
Verily.

You are a very illogical person/sockpuppet.

The Iraqi, Afghanistani and Iranian governments did not break any treaty with the US, so the comparison you have drawn bears no weight.

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Reply #133 - May 26^th, 2012 at 2:57pm

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

So that's how the Jews lived in peace under Islam?

No. More like the way the blacks lived in peace under apartheid. Peace for non-muslim under islam is dhimmitude.

This is incorrect.

Muslims did not force non-Muslims to relocate like whites did to blacks in Apartheid.

The relocation of a Jewish tribe from Madinah was an exceptional case because the tribe was treated as a state. Individual Jews were able to ask permission to stay in Madina on an individual basis, but their right to live as a state within a state was revoked upon their violations of treaties..

Many Jews asked permission to stay in Madina, and were given this permission. The expulsion was for the tribe as a legal entity as a state within a state. Individual Jews were permitted to remain if they so wished.

Apartheid also restricted employment opportunities according to race. This is not the case in Islam which does not restrict dhimmis from employment except in areas involving state secrecy.

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Reply #134 - May 26^th, 2012 at 4:09pm

falah wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

So that's how the Jews lived in peace under Islam?

The Jews of Madina were not living under the Islamic state as such. They were not dhimmis, and they did not have to pay any tax to the Islamic state under the treaty signed. The situation was more like a coalition of states.

If a state breaks a treaty, then it has lost it rights to security under the treaty.

And the people should be slaughtered?

falah wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Cool. On this logic, you support the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the coming strike on Iran.
They have all been warned repeatedly by many countries, including the UN, repeatedly, not to break faith with them but they did so Uncle Sam (peace b upon him) and his merry band of allies have done/will do the necessary.
Just following Mohammed's example.
Verily.

You are a very illogical person/sockpuppet.

The Iraqi, Afghanistani and Iranian governments did not break any treaty with the US, so the comparison you have drawn bears no weight.

Osama declared war on the US. Does that count?

Weren't you just explaining that Muslims don't honour treaties anyway?

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Muslims did not force non-Muslims to relocate like whites did to blacks in Apartheid.

Isn't that your condition for Palestinian Muslims to stop attacking Israel?

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The expulsion was for the tribe as a legal entity as a state within a state. Individual Jews were permitted to remain if they so wished.

Except of course for the ones that were already slaughtered eh? Is that how it works. You slaughter half of them and tell the other half they can apply for permission to hang around, provided they do as they are told?

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