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Reply #15 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:25pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 8:54pm:

It was her methods that interested me.

She was part of ISM. They have very clear guidelines for international activists. Her friend's house was to be demolished and she tried to stop the bulldozer that ran over her twice by shouting at the driver with a megaphone, I believe and standing on a pile of of dirt so she could be seen in her high vis clothing.
There were plenty of witnesses. Her boyfriend was standing not far away.

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So what makes her special? Basically, she defended the rights of others in a way that was not violent and did not threaten violence, but interfered with actions she considered to be wrong.

You are wrong about that. Rachel understood the motivation for Palestinian violence and explained her reasoning to her mother in the letters that you're too lazy to read.

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Reply #16 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:27pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:32pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 7:55pm:

Then don't.

You don't mind using Rachel's death as an "example to all Palestinians" but make no attempt to understand her motivation for being there.

Annie she should not be there. You know that,

She should have been there. More people should be there. I would be there if I could.

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Reply #17 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 6:51am

fd is scared to read them, lest he stumble across facts that cause him to have take the side of Muslims* against the Zionists.

*Leaving aside the fact of Palestinian Christians for now, who most Western Christians abandon due to them being Arabs and therefore "One with the Saracens", just like in the days of the Crusades, when they were slaughtered en masse along with their fellow Muslim countrymen.

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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #18 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:15am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:32pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 7:55pm:

Then don't.

You don't mind using Rachel's death as an "example to all Palestinians" but make no attempt to understand her motivation for being there.

Annie she should not be there. You know that,

Did the israeli who ran her over cold bloodedly get charged with murder? Why not? Was it you?

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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #19 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:08am

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:25pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 8:54pm:

It was her methods that interested me.

She was part of ISM. They have very clear guidelines for international activists. Her friend's house was to be demolished and she tried to stop the bulldozer that ran over her twice by shouting at the driver with a megaphone, I believe and standing on a pile of of dirt so she could be seen in her high vis clothing.
There were plenty of witnesses. Her boyfriend was standing not far away.

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So what makes her special? Basically, she defended the rights of others in a way that was not violent and did not threaten violence, but interfered with actions she considered to be wrong.

You are wrong about that. Rachel understood the motivation for Palestinian violence and explained her reasoning to her mother in the letters that you're too lazy to read.

I understand their motivation as well. That is not the same thing as condoning violence.

If there were so many witnesses, why did none bother to photograph it while it was actually happening? There would be something kind of spectacular (if a little slow) about a face-off between a protestor and a bulldozer. I would have been snapping away.

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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #20 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:33am

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:27pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:32pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 7:55pm:

Then don't.

You don't mind using Rachel's death as an "example to all Palestinians" but make no attempt to understand her motivation for being there.

Annie she should not be there. You know that,

She should have been there. More people should be there. I would be there if I could.

No she should not it is not herr business

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26508 Australia	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #21 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:48am Quote: I would have been snapping away. How many palestinians do you think can afford cameras? SOB
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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #22 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:49am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:33am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:27pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:32pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 7:55pm:

Then don't.

You don't mind using Rachel's death as an "example to all Palestinians" but make no attempt to understand her motivation for being there.

Annie she should not be there. You know that,

She should have been there. More people should be there. I would be there if I could.

No she should not it is not herr business

Yes. It was her business. Its everyone's business. Israel needs to be stopped. Humans are being abused (and murdered) by israelis.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #23 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:55am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:48am: Quote: I would have been snapping away. How many palestinians do you think can afford cameras? SOB Compared to their Nike shoes, Adidas clothes and watches they wear? Strange they always seem to photograph me and my comrades many times in Hebron.
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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #24 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:56am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:55am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:48am:

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I would have been snapping away.

How many palestinians do you think can afford cameras?

SOB

Compared to their Nike shoes, Adidas clothes and watches they wear?
Strange they always seem to photograph me and my comrades many times in Hebron.

Where do they get them and why arent you answering the other posts?

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Reply #25 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:57am

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:08am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:25pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 8:54pm:

It was her methods that interested me.

She was part of ISM. They have very clear guidelines for international activists. Her friend's house was to be demolished and she tried to stop the bulldozer that ran over her twice by shouting at the driver with a megaphone, I believe and standing on a pile of of dirt so she could be seen in her high vis clothing.
There were plenty of witnesses. Her boyfriend was standing not far away.

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So what makes her special? Basically, she defended the rights of others in a way that was not violent and did not threaten violence, but interfered with actions she considered to be wrong.

You are wrong about that. Rachel understood the motivation for Palestinian violence and explained her reasoning to her mother in the letters that you're too lazy to read.

I understand their motivation as well. That is not the same thing as condoning violence.

If there were so many witnesses, why did none bother to photograph it while it was actually happening? There would be something kind of spectacular (if a little slow) about a face-off between a protestor and a bulldozer. I would have been snapping away.

Would you? You'd snap away while your friend was being murdered in front of you?

The protesters faced off with the bulldozers on a daily basis. It wasn't a one off incident.

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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #26 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:58am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:33am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:27pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:32pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 7:55pm:

Then don't.

You don't mind using Rachel's death as an "example to all Palestinians" but make no attempt to understand her motivation for being there.

Annie she should not be there. You know that,

She should have been there. More people should be there. I would be there if I could.

No she should not it is not herr business

You know who shouldn't be there? You and the rest of your Israeli friends.

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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #27 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:18pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:48am:

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I would have been snapping away.

How many palestinians do you think can afford cameras?

SOB

There are photos that appear to have been taken a few minutes before and a few minutes after. Perhaps the photographer wanted to save money on film processing.

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Would you? You'd snap away while your friend was being murdered in front of you?

I would not realise she was being murdered until the bulldozer hit her. I would be expecting a close call, and would see it as an excellent photo opportunity. If I wanted the death to mean anything, I would make sure I got the proof that Israelis did it. I doubt anyone taking photos in that context would fail to consider the situations they might find themselves in.

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The protesters faced off with the bulldozers on a daily basis. It wasn't a one off incident.

I see. Perhaps it was an accident after all.

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