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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #75 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 6:58pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 6:54pm:

They don't need to go anywhere. Though if I was there on either side I would try to get anywhere else.

They just have to stop firing rockets and deluding themselves that they are about to have a great military victory over Israel. They have to want peace more than victory or death (though it is obviously their choice). They are literally throwing rocks at tanks and imagining themselves warriors.

So in your view the Jews should have accepted defeat by the Nazis and not defended themselves?
They are braver warriors then any soldier from any army in the world, its one thing to go to battle with billions of dollars of firepower.. Try doing it like they do.
A lot braver then the jews in the holocaust, which makes sense because if the jews had a legitimate sense of pride they probably wouldn't feel the need to go and commit genocide and terrorism on defenseless people to overcompensate.

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Reply #76 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:08pm

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Everytime they stop (when there are ceasefires) israel starts bulldozing again.

You mean every time they start? If the Palestinians gave up on violence, the bulldozing would have ended decades ago. The world simply would not have tolerated it. Even today, despite the rockets, many Israelis stand up for Palestinians. Imagine how easy peace would be for the Palestinians if they wanted it?

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So in your view the Jews should have accepted defeat by the Nazis and not defended themselves?

The Israel-Palestine conflict is nothing at all like the holocaust.

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They are braver warriors then any soldier from any army in the world, its one thing to go to battle with billions of dollars of firepower.. Try doing it like they do.

I prefer to distinguish brave and stupid. How brave is it to do these things when you know for sure Israel will retaliate and innocent people from your own side will die? Bravery makes no sense in this context, only stupidity.

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A lot braver then the jews in the holocaust, which makes sense because if the jews had a legitimate sense of pride they probably wouldn't feel the need to go and commit genocide and terrorism on defenseless people to overcompensate.

The Palestinians have waged all out war on Israel, and vastly outnumbered them with their allies. They are hardly defenceless. Right here in this thread we have Falah explaining that a military victory is just around the corner. I agree with you in the sense that they are losing miserably and will continue to do so, but that sort of delusion is still dangerous - hence the rockets and suicide bombers.

You do however demonstrate the misunderstanding in the west. The west sees Palestinians as desperate and defenceless, and think everything would be OK if Israel played softball. On the other hand many Palestinian Muslims (even Australian ones) see themselves as in an ongoing war that they are going to win, and see concessions by Israel as Military victories that demonstrate their own strength. Read Falah's recent posts where he outlines his delusions.

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Reply #78 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:23pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 6:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 6:54pm:

They don't need to go anywhere. Though if I was there on either side I would try to get anywhere else.

They just have to stop firing rockets and deluding themselves that they are about to have a great military victory over Israel. They have to want peace more than victory or death (though it is obviously their choice). They are literally throwing rocks at tanks and imagining themselves warriors.

So in your view the Jews should have accepted defeat by the Nazis and not defended themselves?
They are braver warriors then any soldier from any army in the world, its one thing to go to battle with billions of dollars of firepower.. Try doing it like they do.
A lot braver then the jews in the holocaust, which makes sense because if the jews had a legitimate sense of pride they probably wouldn't feel the need to go and commit genocide and terrorism on defenseless people to overcompensate.

Shut up. You have no idea what genocide is. We Jews has suffered holocaust and we do not commit genocide ever.
Don't say this it is lies.

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5471 Gender:	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #79 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:24pm .
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5471 Gender:	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #80 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:25pm .
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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #81 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:54pm

After WWI the Germans carried on like today's palestinians (except their situation was nowhere near as hopeless - they were actually in a position where victory was at least possible). So they turned to lunacy and got sucked into another war, which they lost.

After WWII both German and Japan accepted defeat, got over it, and within a generation were better off than many of the societies that defeated them.

Palestinians choose lunacy, war, and more defeat. They reject the path of peace and prosperity, because it is not what they actually want.

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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #82 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:09pm

freediver - well said

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............After WWII both German and Japan accepted defeat, got over it, and within a generation were better off than many of the societies that defeated them.

Palestinians choose lunacy, war, and more defeat. They reject the path of peace and prosperity, because it is not what they actually want. ......

palestinians and many arabs are disinterested in peace.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #83 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:43pm If they do want peace with us they make very stupid choices and decisions
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49022 At my desk.	Re: Islam is a barrier to peace Reply #84 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 9:04pm See what I mean about the internet and the prevalence of cameras and videos: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1337725259 Now if only they had not been hurling rocks when the cameras were rolling.
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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #85 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:12pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:21pm:

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Do you consider surrender a praiseworthy act?

It is better than refusing to acknowledge you lost a war. Going to the toilet is not a praiseworthy act, but it sure beats crapping on the floor.

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More lies Freeliar? Jews lived peacefully under Islamic states for centuries.

See, the Jews can do it, even as second class citizens. But Muslims would rather die, apparently.

LOL, falah, hoisted upon his own petard.

Hey FD,

Maybe the moslems fear conceding defeat to a Jewish nation, because moslems know of the real oppression that Jewish communities suffered for centuries ???

On consideration, nah.

Moslems will never concede 'Palestine' because moslems are simply militant fascists, who want to express their Allah given right, ......to rape, pillage and plunder those who are not moslems.

ALLAH SAID THAT THE WHOLE EARTH BELONGS TO MOSLEMS, AS WAR 'BOOTY',
...AND MOSLEMS CLEARLY BELIEVE IN ALLAH'S AUTHORITY IN THAT REGARD.

"Or have they gods that can guard them from Us? They have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from Us.
...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Koran 21:43-44

"And He made you [moslems] heirs to their [non-moslem] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things."
Koran 33:27

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #86 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:34pm

I can't see how there can ever be peace in the middle east, between Israel and her neighbours, while ever ISLAM exists.

Either ISLAM will be destroyed, or, ISLAM will destroy Israel.

There can never be, an Israel at peace, in the middle east.

A rampant ISLAM will never allow it.

Dictionary;
rampant = =
1 flourishing or spreading unchecked.
2 unrestrained in action or performance.
3 (of a plant) lush in growth.
4 [usu. postpos.] Heraldry (of an animal) represented standing on its left hind foot with its forefeet in the air.

The simple fact is that a rampant ISLAM cannot, will never, concede to the presence of an [independent] un-ISLAMIC entity, within its own midst.

And that is the problem, with ISLAM;
Wherever ISLAM manages to gain political authority, ISLAM is always intolerant and oppressive, towards anything which could be viewed as un-ISLAMIC.

e.g.
Art, science, music, .....Jews.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #87 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:58pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:50pm:

It wasnt an accident.

No, it wasn't.

Rachel Corrie effectively committed suicide.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:50pm:

In Australia (and most other countries) you arent allowed to murder ppl.

In Israel, you are not allowed to murder ppl.

If you do, you will be arrested, and charged with murder.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:50pm:

If they chain themselves to a tree you have to have the authorities remove them before bulldozing the tree.

Why ?

Aren't they prepared to die for their beliefs ???

Suicide.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:50pm:

Israelis dont have any compassion though.

Yes they do.

The Israelis, love their children.

While moslems, are happy to murder their children, for the glory of a demon.
.....and in the false hope, of securing for themselves [i.e. the parents], a place in Allah's paradise.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #88 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:16pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 2:35pm:

I know what war is like. But this isnt about war.

Its about israel oppressing palestinians and killing them willy nilly.

Bullying with the support of the yanks. Bulldozing their homes and crops. Destroying their wells. etc etc etc. If it was a war then it would be more equal.

SOB

You say it.

But it isn't true.

sob,

You are either very ignorant, or, very evil, imo.

I suspect that you just don't want the truth.

On your own head be it.

ISLAM, is a lie.

And E V E R Y D A Y - MOSLEMS LIE

ISLAM......is a false religion, for a false people.

And 'Palestinians' are lying about being oppressed.

'Palestinians' promote murder, in Allah's cause.

Moslems are LIARS, moslems have no shame, moslems lie AND MURDER, for Allah's cause.

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;

palestinian lies media watch

Google;

al dura hoax

Google;

pallywood

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Islam is a barrier to peace
Reply #89 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:24pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 6:47pm:

Where exactly should the palestinians go?

SOB

Saudi Arabia ???

Or isn't there enough room in Saudi Arabia for the 'Palestinians' ?

What ever happened to moslem brotherhood and hospitality ???

'Palestinians' are a contrived political 'stick' to beat Israel with, on the world stage.

Nothing more.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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